Music performance at Columbia?

<p>Ravel "Pavane pour une infante defunte" is the most beautiful, though, I think. Wowowow. I want to get the piano score of it and play it, because it was originally written for piano and then arranged for orchestra. It's the orchestration that's famous, though. I'm playing the cello in his piano trio right now. We just sight-read it (um, tried to, because that piece is freaking hard to sight-read) yesterday for the first time. Listen to his piano trio if you haven't yet, because it's so great.</p>

<p>cujoe: I play cello, yeah. You might be surprised to hear that the Saint-Saens Concerto in a minor is considered to be technically the easiest famous cello concerto. I love it so much, though. The third movement is so gorgeous sometimes, especially the theme in F major that starts with the low C string, mmmm. And the second movement is so serene but there's also the singing cello line in the middle that's so sweet.</p>

<p>never heard the ravel piece you described jono, but the sunset passage of the ravel is inhumanely(in a good sense) beautiful. You should listen to it sometime.</p>

<p>what is "it" that I'm supposed to listen to</p>

<p>not "supposed" to listen to, but i reccommend "it" highly. "it" is called daphnes and chole. a true piece of art.</p>

<p>I just listened to it when I was reading page three of this discussion, and yes it is ravel and therefore wonderful. ahhh.</p>

<p>I'm listening to his piano trio now</p>

<p>do you have the cd or did you locate it on the internet? I immediately liked the ravel after playing it, but now i yearn to have a cd of it eternally in my possession.</p>

<p>I have a CD, and I have it in my iTunes library because I put all of my CDs in my iTunes so I can listen to them without shuffling CDs. I have Claudio Abbado conducting the Boston Symphony Orchestra and New England Conservatory Chorus.</p>

<p>seth blue, it's good to buy the cd's cuz these guys need money too!</p>

<p>@jono... wow, it sounds so difficult, and i had such a hard time with the violin part, they make you finagle across e a d g going at quarternote=166... in the allegro... crazy for violins, but the cello part was so beautiful, i wanted to play the cello after that</p>

<p>i've always liked the cello a lot. And cujoe169, i agree, buying a cd will help the classical music industry. I think promotion of classical music mshould increase, people might actually begin to appreciate how beautiful it really is. I know this from experience.</p>

<p>I think a lot of times the CDs getting promoted are the CDs that really aren't the best out there. Like Yo-Yo Ma's recent CDs, um I'm always shocked at how those ever even approach top 50 for all genres. But I'm always proved wrong in my expectations of top 50 albums, because when I look at them, most often the top 50 albums are the top worst current albums I could list. Lo and behold, I discover that Yo-Yo Ma transcriptions on CD and 15NOW are the hottest CDs. What do I know. . . . What I know is that Yo-Yo Ma doesn't know which line in Wachet Auf is the solo line, the chorale melody. Way to go stupid. He plays his ostinato in the arrangement like it's the only thing going on in the piece and covers up everyone else. I heard it on the radio, of course. I never bought that CD. My parents bought his "Solo" CD, though, which sucks in a big way. I'm so glad they didn't give it to me and got it for themelves instead. Whew, relieved of that burden. And do you guys know the new Bach Cello Suites CD that's getting so much promotion, played by Jian Wang? That's getting tons of publicity, but it's not good. I decided not to buy that, either. iTunes Music Store often doesn't have much by my favorite artists, either, so when I make recommendations to friends of classical music that I like, they don't get it because it's not in iTunes. The worst of all, though, is Beethoven for Babies and Brahms for Bedtime and Reading with Rachmaninoff and Cello Adagios for Relaxation and that stuff. Eggh barf barf barf.</p>

<p>can you recommend some good cello players? i need to expand my collection beyond cds... similar to your beliefs the most publicized violinists are not the greatest... perlman and hahn aren't the best out there... altho hahn is fairly good... truly vengerov is over shadowed by many "contemporary artists" and is scoffed at because he "show boats" but listen to his saint-saens concerto no 3 in b minor, or his lalo symphonie espagnole... he is truly amazing...</p>

<p>i'd like to note: it's nice to have a discussion on classical music without being scoffed at... pop music just can't compare</p>

<p>perlman isn't bad, the quality of his recordings tend to vary a lot. For example, his version of the bruch concerto #1, belongs in the dumpster(okay, maybe i exaggerated a bit), but his accolay concerto interprtationn was quite nice. As for hahn, well other than the fact that she is a prodigy. there is nothing even remotely great about her playing. I might have said this before, but her bach 6 partitas and sonatas recording was humiliating.</p>

<p>about pop music, i think that our current artists are the ones turning the pop industry into a scam. Bob Dylan, and the old singers had a lot more depth in their music. These days, music is shallow and always about love and such...yawn...what a ripoff...</p>

<p>yea... i do agree her bach was pretty bad... not bad... just not good, but her shostakovich... AMAZING... i do have perlman, it's kind of amusing to hear a famous player playing a student concerto :)</p>

<p>Okay, well I like Truls Mork and Rostropovich the best for cello. I haven't heard Mork's Bach but I'm curious, and I haven't seen it in stores online or offline so maybe it's to be released soon. He has a gorgeous tone with amazing clarity. I recommend his Dvorak Concerto and Tchaikovsky Rococo Vars, and everything of his I have heard I have liked either the most of any or at least near the top. I want to check out his Rachmaninoff Cello Sonata CD, because I love the piece and I think he'd play it well. His Prokofiev Symphony Concertante and Brahms Sonatas have incredible clarity. Nobody can play fast notes on the cello that speak like that. Now on Rostropovich, he is one of the most tasteful cellists I have ever heard. Not tasteful meaning bland interpretations with sparing vibrato and a lack of daring. By tasteful I mean incredibly musical and natural. He also has a gorgeous tone. Especially his G#, I know it's funny, but truthfully it is so beautiful on his A string. You can hear his amazing tone and musicality in his Saint-Saens Concerto, which is the best recording of it in my opinion. His Bach is only okay, but the rest of his recordings make up for it. His Beethoven Sonatas are the best I have heard, and I have listened to so many in search of a good one, because to me hardly anyone plays them well. He is the only person with good musicality throughout, not playing sloppy and cheezy like Maisky and not playing too slowly like everyone always does on the third sonata in A Major. His Dvorak and any of the concertos are absolutely great, of course. And he even plays Schubert cello quintet well with the Emerson String Quartet (an awesome string quartet, too).</p>

<p>I like some things by some artists. I like Pieter Wispelwey's Bach Suites (look it up in iTunes: "did you mean 'Dispenser'?" goodness me). I also like his Prokofiev, Shosty, and Britten Sonatas recording, and his pianist is phenomenal with such amazing piano colors with articulation. That is chamber music rather than accompaniment, great.</p>

<p>I don't like Yo-Yo Ma. His Dvorak Concerto is horrendous, and he has a bad tone on many of his standard classical recordings, and he plays Beethoven Sonatas badly. Don't listen to his Beethoven third cello sonata in A major or you'll be poisioned like I once was. His second theme in the Dvorak concerto second movement made me frantic when I desperately tried to make it stop while looking for the stop button. Apparently he has discovered it is adapted from a song that was a favorite of Dvorak's love and cellist who died. He plays it like a tenor who is so sad that he's choking and can't control his vibrato and should fall of a cliff or stage to end his misery (and mine, please).</p>

<p>On Mischa Maisky: sometimes he has a warm tone. And sometimes his tone makes me want to hurl. It's like in Shakespeare the honey in the throat coming back up in rage like a mushroom cloud, all happening in the space of one note, but wait, the next note is still coming, when it starts all over again. So much for continuity and simplicity in a phrase. But his fashion sense and kinky relationship it seems with Martha Argerich is highly amusing.</p>

<p>On modern popy music, I agree. Who is Gavin McGraw? I don't know but it's no good. And Avvril Lavigne or however it's spelled sucks majorly. And who makes that song that's like "if I gave it all up for one thing, wouldn't that be something. . . I don't want to know, but I think I know, but I just hate how it sounds. . .? That song is so bad. The lyrics are awful andd the melody matches the awfulness of the words it goes with. And Nickleback is so terrible. "Walks like summer and talks like June. . . looking for yourself out there. . ." Bad bad bad bad. If I get a song stuck in my head I'll be mad. I am finding, however, that I enjoy the bad pop from my youth just for fun. Like Ace of Base and No Doubt. That stuff is terrible but I like it because it's funny hehe. "All that she wants is another baby uh-oh-oh. . ."</p>

<p>Pop (it's clasic rock, mostly) I do like: Crosby, Stills & Nash (and sometimes Young), Beatles, Beach Boys, Simon and Garfunkel, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones, Tom Petty, Pink Floyd, The Who. . . . The difference is that they ccan write melodies and they can sing the melodies they write. Crosby Stills and Nash can really sing. They write some great choral chords and chord sequences. I love "Another Sleep Song" and "Blackbird" and "Song Without Words (Tree with no Leaves)" and "Guinnevere" and lots of others because the singing and the writing is great. The Beatles, yeah do I need to explain? I love "Because" and ""Golden Slumbers" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" and "Here Comes the Sun" and "And Your Bird Can Sing" and "Here, There, and Everywhere" and "For No One" etc. And The Beach Boys have some great melodies and singing, too, especially "Wouldn't it be Nice" and "God Only Knows," which has great singing in the early middle, you'd hear how good it is right away if you listened to it. I also like jazz, like Glenn Miller and Bill Evans Trio, and there's a new group that I like, too, which I found on iTunes, the Bob James Trio. I don't know much about jazz, but I do like some standard stuff and the stuff that isn't lame. There's a lot of lame "jazz" out there. Also have you heard Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band? My trombonist friend just got me into them a few days ago.</p>

<p>wow, i've never actually known a cello player who dislikes yo yo ma. But i'm not a cello player myself, so who am i to judge. About the "walks like summer, talks like june" song, it's called Drops of Jupiter, and i actually quite like the melody. I liked Duranduran, but their new song is not too appealing in my opinion. And yea, Avril lavigne makes me want to puke. Scratchy voice, no talent, a fug, i'm surprise she has any fans. God, i can't stand her stupid skaterboy song or whatever. All her songs are bad, but that's the first one I had to suffer. And i hate to bring this topic up, but rap is a total insult to the entire music industry today. beyonce, usher, 50 cent, eminem, why the **** do people listen to their crap.</p>

<p>worse, I don't understand their cover pictures. They must have the most unattractive bodies I have ever seen. I bet they have no testicles because of steroids.</p>

<p>I know so many cellists who hate Yo-Yo Ma. I'd have a hard time finding one who actually likes him. All cellists I know have completely lost respect for him because of his recent crap. I, personally, was never a fan of his old crap, either. I have, however, known way too many people who just expect me to like him because he's famous. I get so many surprised responses when I announce how much I hate his playing.</p>

<p>Know any medieval/renaissance music? I recommend Josquin's El Grillo sung by the Hilliard Ensemble. It is good an also incredibly hilarious. Surprisingly modern! Haha you'll know what I mean when you hear it and listen to the words. I was TRYING to read when I heard this. Hopeless. I was laughing instead. It's very singable and danceable, too. "Darlin'! darlin'! baby! baby!" The words are actually "Dale dale beve beve grillo grillo canta canta" but the similarity made me laugh so hard. Kind of like the Beatles "She's got a chicken to ride, she's got a chicken to ri-hi-hide, she's got a chicken to ride, but she don't care! My baby donkey!"</p>

<p>Oh, wow. This sure has gotten huge and off-topic. But I like it!</p>

<p>I've found, personally, that alot of the Naxos recordings are really great (not always all, but most) -- not to mention wonderful in price range. </p>

<p>And btw, you guys haven't approached crazy until you've seen Stravinsky's Petruchka. Texas All-State music this year, oy...but definitely awesome to play.</p>

<p>people keep emphasizing the importance of not letting the media dominate us. It looks everyone in this world is failing miserably. Joshua bell is famous because of the media, so is Hilary hahn, and that ugly tennis player anna kournicova or whatever. It's probably the same for yoyo ma. Apparently, one can be famous without being that good.
I guess I'm not saying those people are necessarily bad at what they do, but in my opinion, they don't meet the standards that the media propogates. Yoyo ma is famous mostly for being a prodigy, i think. I know that that's what Bell and Hahn are famous for at least.</p>

<p>Anyway, have you listened to Carmen by Bizet? It's the one of the most mesmerizing operas I have ever heard. The plot is rather naughty, but i's certainly interesting enough.</p>