My chances as a transfer student from Oxford?

<p>"Nobody has even answered my original question yet! Just trashed Oxford."</p>

<p>haha! So sorry. Yeah, we got a bit off point, didn't we? Anyway, transfer admissions are much different than freshman admissions so I'm really unqualified to give much of an opinion. Your description of your self seems to be a bit sparse, though...can you be a bit more specific?</p>

<p>By the way, no matter what, what we say about your chances really doesn't mean much :p So just go for it, and see what happens!! :)</p>

<p>Well, there are obviously exceptions, to where AA can be harmful, but it generally is a positive concept. I completely agree that it should be modified to more heavily account for socioeconomic status. However, both race and socioeconomic status should be considered because this would still ensure diversity within a campus. Different races have different perspectives and traditions, and to deprive a school of this would only hurt the academic ambience as a whole.</p>

<p>EDIT-blue, since when is the SAT an indicator of intelligence? The URM's that score lower may be just as intelligent, but they didn't have access to prep courses or the default preparation that a quality school would provide.</p>

<p>That's the point though-college admissions just isn't about your GPA and SAT. There are intangibles that should be (and are) accounted for-sometimes an applicant is a better fit for what that school is looking for (ie. you aren't going to admit all Intels just because they have the best stats and resumes).</p>

<p>You should also not be biased against for being a minority (which is the norm in American schools).</p>

<p>aoe2guy--Obviously the academic standards are higher in England. They enter university more advanced in their particular subject than American students, plain and simple. But the question is, at what cost?</p>

<p>Bluefuture, that reminds me, you never answered my questions about pre-uni specialization in Britain. What kinds of courses have you taken the last few years?</p>

<p>Also, bluefuture, it isn't a school's job to explain to a student why they got rejected, and they very rarely do. It's a school's job to build the best possible class.</p>

<p>lol and one last thing to edit this post with...."You should not be biased against for being white." I completely agree. But you shouldn't get special advantages for being born into wealth (which doesn't always mean you're white). The trick with AA is achieving that without penalizing the white boy.</p>

<p>bluefuture and all else concerned;</p>

<p>the preeminence of the american system of higher education is well attested. by the London Times' own estimations, 7 of the top 10 universities in the world are american. a vast majority of the cutting edge research and influential scholarship that happens today happens at america's universities. </p>

<p>why is this? for starters, the top american universities are massively more wealthy --in some cases by several orders of magnitude-- than their wealthiest counterparts in other countries. they attract the top scholars from around the world and have the resources to support them. </p>

<p>to say the american secondary school system is hands down inferior to the british one is a misconception many non-americans enjoy endulging in. it is simply not true.</p>

<p>just because american undergraduate programs focus on an applicant in his or her entirety --his character, what he does in his free time, what he might do to contribute to the undergraduate community and the world once he graduates--does not make them softer on admissions. the fact is they have so many students that are academically equivalent that it would be impossible for them to make distinctions without taking these things into consideration. it is a luxury that other schools do not have. as brilliant as he may be, a scholar with no interpersonal skills might have a difficult time making a lasting impression on the world or adding anything to a university full of other, more well-adjusted brilliant scholars.</p>

<p>just because the american system is relatively young does not make it inferior. it has more money and a larger pool of scholars to draw from.</p>

<p>No, your brain doesn't decide whether or not you get into Oxford, because the system is heavily favoured towards private school students who know the rules of the game. For example, look at the classics program, could many of those students get into oxford if they didn't know 'the rules'?</p>

<p>Oxford would be far more likely to accept a student from a higher-class background than a student of a lower-class background, even if the latter student had a slightly higher intelligence, just because the former's school would have connections with a specific college and would know which program to apply for to maximise his chance of admittance. How is this admittance scenario guided by brains?</p>

<p>'We in Britain [I live in Britain, by the by] think everybody should have an equal chance for admission, that is why we have a tough academic interview system'</p>

<p>PI SSes me off to be honest. It is exactly the type of snobbish remark that encapsulates all Oxbridge should get away from. If everyone should have an equal chance for admission, then why is everyone graded on exactly the same scale, even when it is extremely more difficult for lower-class students to acheive competitive grades? This system heavily favours those with top preperatory educations, which (suprise suprise) can be bought by rich white families. Following your train of logic, that only the smartest people get into Oxford, why are there so few minorities and lower-classes in Oxford? Is it because they are inherently less intelligent than upper-class whites? OF COURSE NOT! and that attitude makes me physically sick. It is because these groups do not have the benefits that the richer groups have and are penalised by Oxbridge as a result. The American system may not be perfect, but it does fix this substantial problem. As for your lauded 'tough academic interview system' Who does this favour? Why yes, suprise suprise, it favours the rich white private-school demographic, as these students have more preparation for these interviews and a better quality of teaching to prepare them for it as well (this better teaching also helps students get critical top A-Levels).</p>

<p>My problem with your 'tons of poor people get rejected from Oxford witih top results every year' argument was - shockingly (to you, anyway) - that tons of poor people get rejected from Oxford w/ top results when richer counterparts would be far less likely to (as I clearly stated in my last post...). I did read through your point fully and I did respond to it in my last post as well: </p>

<p>'So Harvard broke some red tape to get Laura Spence in? So what? Are they to be criticised for their charity?' What I (fairly obviously, I should think) meant by this was that I saw nothing wrong with H letting in Laura Spence, even if it was only a one time thing. What are you basing your claim that Harvard has never offered a place to another student like Laura on, anyway? Please back your ridiculous claims with fact in the future before attacking me about them. </p>

<p>To answer your final question, Blue, I am 16 years old and so of course I have not got into Harvard yet (nor do I realistically expect that I will under the current intense competition). However, this allows me to be fully objective in my opinions, so I really don't see how it hurts my argument. </p>

<p>Just out of interest, Blue, what college at Oxford are you at at the moment, and what type of secondary school did you attend?</p>

<p>GCSE (age -16)</p>

<p>Maths, phys, chem, biology, history, english lit, english lang, history, business studies, french with 4A*s and 5As</p>

<p>A-level (age 18)</p>

<p>mathematics (A), Further mathematics (A), Physics (A), AS-level chemistry (B) (half an a-level)</p>

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<p>No one has answered your question because it is almost impossible to give a good answer. To begin with, it's fairly pointless for us to offer Chances answers, because none of us are Harvard admissions officers. And their opinions are the only ones with any validity whatsoever. The whole Chances forum is a complete waste of time, IMO.</p>

<p>However, I can tell you that to the best of my knowledge, transfer admissions are different from regular admissions - harder for one thing. I'm not sure just how much the ECs, SATs and other high school achievements count in transfer admissions as compared with your college record. I do know that you will need to have TOP grades in your year at Oxford to get a serious look from Harvard. </p>

<p>I also have the impression that Harvard uses transfer admissions to fill slots. Thus if they determine that they are unusually short of British students and/or physics concentrators that year, your chances will be better than if they already have plenty of those. If you are a star soccer player or other star athlete, that would also be a big help.</p>

<p>I suggest you PM Hanna with your questions. She was a Harvard transfer and worked as some kind of transfer coordinator while she was there. She could give you much better information than the rest of us.</p>

<p>And, BTW, don't be put off Harvard by the arguments here. I don't think you are arguing with very many current Harvard people. To the best of my knowledge, most of them are high school students. </p>

<p>PS: I suggest the whole thread try to steer away from an Affirmative Action debate. Those threads are never productive. They just get heated, and eventually someone says something that could be taken as racist and then the whole thread gets deleted and people get kicked off of CC.</p>

<p>big post dude....lighten up Madd stressed!</p>

<p>ahh--Blue, that one-hour test wasn't exceptionally difficult, and certainly wouldn't be for anyone who'd taken AB or BC Calculus. Can't remember if sequences/series is on the AB syllabus, though. Regardless--it's really not accurate to label A-levels as the be-all and end-all of scholarship. AP tests are probably just as challenging, if not more so--I guess I have trouble believing that A-levels are such hot stuff, given the furore over grade inflation on them.</p>

<p>I got into St peters college, Oxford
and i went to private schools.</p>

<p>I don't mean to imply, Blue, that Oxford isn't amazing and that the people who do go there aren't the creme de la creme. What I'm trying to say is that you have such amazing students in the US as well, and probably more of them, given how widespread the AP curriculum is.</p>

<p>Courer you are amazing! thankyou for your help</p>

<p>some of these guys have not actually gotten in yet?! well that explains a-lot.</p>

<p>what are the hardest topics on the AP maths syllabus?
for example which parts of calculus?</p>

<p>For an example of the maths stuff i did got to:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.edexcel.org.uk/VirtualContent/83442/GCE_Fur_Maths_FP1_FP3_Specimen_Paper_mkscheme.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.edexcel.org.uk/VirtualContent/83442/GCE_Fur_Maths_FP1_FP3_Specimen_Paper_mkscheme.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>an A grade requires 80%</p>

<p>I'm not acquainted with the syllabus--it'll be on the college board website--but right now, I'm in BC Calculus, and have covered different kinds of proofs, Taylor/Maclaurin sequences/series, polar coordinates, etc.</p>

<p>"some of these guys have not actually gotten in yet?! well that explains a-lot."</p>

<p>Don't sound too pleased with yourself, Blue. Harvard only has 10% admittance, far lower than St. Peter's 71% offer percentage to its applicants applying for physics.</p>

<p>that statistic is highly misleading as i found out when i was there! it only includes direct applications of the last 3 years. </p>

<p>this year when i was there were 40 applicants to be interviewed for six places.</p>

<p>this is because of candidates being moved around from bigger colleges to be interviewed there and open applications by people who dont know which college to apply to. </p>

<p>that statistic also does not include foreign applications, i believe.</p>

<p>there were also apparently far more applications than usual.</p>

<p>71%??</p>

<p>Can someone please explain to me why I applied to Emma @ Cambridge, then? :p</p>

<p>Hahahaha- learn to play the numbers game! thats what i did.</p>

<p>i must of the studied the entry statistics for months.</p>

<p>lol. Well, I wouldn't have expected to get in anyway. I couldn't make it out to England for an interview (Emma was OK without interviewing me, but other colleges weren't), and being American I'm advanced within my school in math/physics, but compared to the UK applicants, probably not :p</p>

<p>I quote from the Oxford prospectus:</p>

<p>This table shows the ratio of number of first choice applicants by subject and college to the number of offers made, averaged over the years 2002-2004. It does not include open applications subsequently allocated to a college. </p>

<p>(So it basically means it shows the ratio of first-choice applicants to the college to the number of offers to those applicants, ignoring the more complicated open pool)</p>

<p>St Peter's - Physics: 1.4 ( 1/1.4 = 71%)</p>

<p>I really dont see how you can argue with that. It seems quite straightforward to me.</p>