My Choices, need a bit of help ?!

<p>So i am an international student with an interest in majoring in C.Science.
So far my choices are :</p>

<p>1.Colby College
2.Connecticut College
3.Colgate University
4.Reed College
5.Brandeis University</p>

<p>I've chosen all these first of all because i prefer LAC's, and secondly because F.Aid is a big factor for me.
Can you please tell me which of these have good CS programs?
And if anyone was admitted to any of these, may i know what FA package you got? Would be very helpful.
Thankyou ^</p>

<p>Reed College does not have a computer science department. It does have a few CS courses in the math department. It offers a 5-year dual degree program in cooperation with the University of Washington ([Reed</a> College | Catalog](<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/catalog/programs/dual_special/]Reed”>Dual Degree and Special Programs - Catalog - Reed College)). However, it does not offer a CS major as part of a regular, 4 year, Reed-only degree program.</p>

<p>Each school’s Common Data Set, section H6, presents an average aid package for international students. However, that may not be indicative of what you’re likely to get. Use each school’s online Net Price Calculator to estimate your out-of-pocket costs.</p>

<p>There are good CS programs here. One thing you might want to ask would be about opportunities for summer internships and what recruiting is like at each school. Brandeis, with which I am affiliated, is located right on the 128 corridor (a highway) that circles Boston and has all the advantages of this east coast computing hub. Similarly, Connecticut College is ideally located for access to Interstate 95 computing firms, whether Wipro and IBM on the southern end of I-95 or Boston on the northern. Reed is in Eugene and its graduates are not unfamiliar with that large Washington state computer corporation whose name must not be spoken, as well as the other firms of the west coast computing industry. Colby and Colgate are a bit more distant from the hubs, so I’d want to make sure that the opportunities there are equivalent.</p>

<p>^ Reed is in Portland (which puts it even closer to Seattle and Redmond … but again, it does not have a CS department).</p>

<p>Reed is in Portland (It’s U of O that’s in Eugene).</p>

<p>Colby and Colgate wouldn’t offer as many term-time internships, but students could do summer internships pretty much anywhere in the country. Being well-recognized colleges, I’m sure that they’re pretty competitive for those internships.</p>

<p>Computer science is not my field, but much can be gleaned from glancing at the course catalogs. In addition to a traditional CS curriculum Connecticut College offers a range of classes in interesting areas, like “Multimedia”, “Artificial Intelligence,” “Digital Sound Processing,” in addition to the traditional basic computer science curriculum. They seem to have classes on areas that are “hot” right now like data mining and machine learning and informatics and bioinformatics. They teach their first year programming class in Python, it seems. Connecticut has a pretty big emphasis on undergraduate research; majors are required to take two semesters of research (either independent study or a thesis) and it’s all over the website. The department’s pretty small - 4 full-time professors, 3 adjuncts, one visiting professor - but that’s pretty common for a small LAC. They advertise the opportunity to take joint classes with Wesleyan and Trinity, but Wesleyan is 45 minutes away and Trinity is almost an hour.</p>

<p>Colby’s department seems a bit more traditional. The major requirements are quite similar to Connecticut’s (both traditional CS requirements, nothing extraordinary). Colby also has the somewhat unique opportunity to major in “interdisciplinary computing,” which allows you to integrate CS with another field like biology or theater. Brandeis’s department seems to be kind of in-between Connecticut’s and Colby’s as far as “hot” classes go - they definitely have machine learning; they have a lot of classes in linguistics and cognitive science (“Topics in Computational Linguistics,” “Statistical Approaches to Natural Language Processing,” “Architecture of Conversation,” “Computational Cognitive Science”). Their first year CS class is Java and C-based. There are obviously more full-time faculty members (13) which means a wider variety of research areas with which to work; but Brandeis also has an MA and a PhD program in CS, which could possibly mean that grad students teach or TA some of the lower-level classes and/or that grad students get most of the attention from professors, whereas undergrads mostly get mentorship from grad students. However, that may not be the case; it’s something you need to ask about. The location also means that you could take classes at MIT’s CS department (accessible by bus; it’s about a 40-minute ride) or at Harvard’s (ditto), or any of the other Boston area schools.</p>

<p>Colgate’s first-year class programs in Python too. A traditional major very similar to that of Colby’s, Connecticut’s, and Brandeis’s, but also some interesting electives (“Software Engineering for the Cloud,” “Economic Reasoning and Computational Design,” “Artificial Intelligence”) I only glanced quickly at each program, but it actually seems like Colgate’s CS major has fewer required courses. Connecticut also has higher math requirements (they require discrete math, while Colgate just required calculus I). The department has 6 full-time faculty members. </p>

<p>When choosing, though, you also need to consider things other than the strength of the department. All four of these schools seem to have fine CS departments that offer what you need, but they have different characteristics. New London is a small city; the closest large city is Providence (56 miles away). New York and Boston are both reachable by bus or train for a weekend trip. Connecticut College is a top LAC and you’d have the more intimate LAC experience there; they have a paid junior summer internship program ([Funded</a> Internship Program](<a href=“http://www.conncoll.edu/life-after-cc/funded-internship-program/]Funded”>http://www.conncoll.edu/life-after-cc/funded-internship-program/)) and some unique offerings include a minor in applied statistics, arts & technology, and public policy.</p>

<p>Brandeis is a larger suburb of a major metropolitan city that’s pretty easily accessible (it would seem) by bus; you also get a nice hybrid of a small liberal arts experience with only 3500 undergraduate and an RU/VH (Research 1) university. They also have some unique offerings for minors like Film, Television, and Interactive Media; Health: Science, Society, & Policy; Language and Linguistics (which is apparently tightly tied to their CS department); and some others. You have the option of doing a BA/MA in five years, too.</p>

<p>Colby and Colgate are more rural; Waterville is a small city/large town and Hamilton is a small town/village in upstate NY. Both cold, but small college towns have their advantages: students tend to stay on campus most of the time and make their own fun, and it can lead to a very tight-knit student campus culture.</p>

<p>Mind you that none of these schools are need-blind for international students, so if you need financial aid keep that in mind.</p>

<p>ah, thanks for clarifying, tk. the Reed student I was thinking of was a math major, now that I think of it. he’s working compsci at yelp in SF.</p>

<p>lordy, my memory, I hope there’s some record of my having attended Brandeis, at least.</p>

<p>Colby and Colgate are the most generous of the five for international students.
But generally speaking, LACs are not “the best” choices for internationals seeking aid! They do give aid, but not more than big unis.
There are several reasons for this:
1- They are small! Usually the whole class size of an LAC is something around 1500 to 3000 students. That’s like 1200 to 2500 accepted students each year and not more than 150 - 500 internationals! Which when you see the number of internationals on aid, in college board’s website, you can realize that there are not so many aid positions for internationals.
2- They only have undergrads and so a large portion of their budget is coming from tuition fees! You see where i’m going with this? right? College mostly wants internationals for their money! And if you don’t have money, you should have a pretty fantastic stats!</p>

<p>If you really like a college though, apply for it! But keep in mind that big unis have better opportunities for getting aid. Big unis also have stronger CS departments. There is not much research going on in LACs compare to big unis.</p>

<p>I don’t have anything to say about the international student factor for these schools, but since the CS offerings at some LACs are limited, I suggest you take a closer look at what each school offers in CS, and match them with your specific interests and desired depth. I see ucbalumnus hasn’t yet popped into this thread, but he often posts a nice list of CS topics/subject areas to consider. And I’ll echo another one of his cautions – don’t just look at the catalog offerings of these departments (and juillet did a nice job of that), but rather look at the schedule, and how often the courses are offered, because with smaller departments, courses will be offered less frequently.</p>

<p>Also, CS at LACs has come up here before, so you might search for one of those threads. For instance, here’s a very good one from about a year ago:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1391336-liberal-arts-colleges-good-computer-science-programs.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1391336-liberal-arts-colleges-good-computer-science-programs.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>tk^ thankyou for the information :)</p>

<p>Jkeil^ Thankyou very much for that insight! I didnt know about reed not having a CS dept. so now i can remove it :D</p>

<p>Juillet^ Thankyou sooo much for writing up such a long and informative post and taking so much of your time ! I could never have found out all those facts by myself!</p>

<p>Fadaee^ Which big uni would you say would give very good aid? Please list (No ivies please)
Thanks a lot :)</p>

<p>csdad^ Thankyou for the insight and the list ! ;)</p>

<p>Juillet ^^ So which in your opinion would be a better pick ? Colby or Connecticut ?</p>

<p>Anyone of you knowledgable people know if California has any good unis with CS ?
Excluding stanford, Caltech, harvey mudd, and the UC’s, please ?</p>

<p>@jamzter07, Unfortunately only rich universities (including ivies) are the only ones that actually give a considerable amount money to internationals.</p>

<p>There are couple of my old posts here that can help you:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1491478-what-schools-meet-100-international-undergraduates-financial-need.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1491478-what-schools-meet-100-international-undergraduates-financial-need.html&lt;/a&gt;
There is a list in post #5.</p>

<p>And the same list in:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/international-students/1552794-looking-colleges-full-need-based-fin-aid-apply-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/international-students/1552794-looking-colleges-full-need-based-fin-aid-apply-2.html&lt;/a&gt;
(Post #21)</p>

<p>But don’t limit your options to the unis in this lists. There are other rich unis that give money to internationals. This might help you find them:
<a href=“http://tw.aisj-jhb.com/hscounselors/files/2012/09/Copy-of-CIS_HE_Aid_Table_2008-2009_USA_.xls[/url]”>http://tw.aisj-jhb.com/hscounselors/files/2012/09/Copy-of-CIS_HE_Aid_Table_2008-2009_USA_.xls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Also I have a totally random suggestion for you: Wesleyan!</p>

<p>P.S. In California: Pomona College.
But I have to tell you something: if you’re interested in CA, because of all the CS/tech-y things going on there, don’t overlook other elite CS unis in other states.</p>

<p>Thankyou so very much for the links, so very much appreciated :D</p>

<p>And yes wesleyan is a good one…But very selective. ^^Fadaee</p>

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<p>Consider this list:
[Top</a> 25 Financial Aid Colleges in US for International Students (Need-aware)](<a href=“http://www.desperateguide.com/us/top-25-financial-aid-colleges-in-us-for-international-students-need-aware]Top”>http://www.desperateguide.com/us/top-25-financial-aid-colleges-in-us-for-international-students-need-aware)
All but 3 of these 25 schools are LACs.</p>

<p>Or consider this list:
[Colleges</a> That Give International Students the Most Financial Aid - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2013/09/19/colleges-that-give-international-students-the-most-financial-aid]Colleges”>http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/2013/09/19/colleges-that-give-international-students-the-most-financial-aid)
5 of the top 10 (by average dollar amount of awards to internationals) are LACs.</p>

<p>In contrast, many state universities don’t give any aid at all to international students. Examples:
Berkeley
Michigan
Virginia
UNC-Chapel Hill
Wisconsin
Maryland (College Park)
Penn State</p>

<p>The University of Illinois - Urbana Champaign (which has a well-regarded CS department) does offer aid to internationals. However, the average dollar amount for 2012-13 was only $13,371. For the same year, the average amount at Williams was $54,671.</p>

<p>Thanks, i’ve already seen those before though.
Yes i do very much agree, LACs give the best aid. (Other than the need blind ivy’s )</p>

<p>Do you know if arizona state gives any good merit scholarship to intl’s ?</p>

<p>@tk21769, Thank you for your lists…
Very good lists… I was a little bit wrong about LACs… (The reason was the lists I have posted earlier…)
But, still we don’t know, how hard is it to get into LACs as an international seeking aid. It may be harder than big unis… Schools don’t publish datas like “the acceptance rate of internationals seekling aid/ not seeking aid”…</p>