<p>back to sports... the uncle of a yale freshman bball player told me his nephew's SAT score... 1190! ugh. it's so unfair! it's not my fault that i wasn't genetically selected to be 6-6!!!!</p>
<p>yo..this wud sound insane...but ive heard these ppl with 1200s get into cu really easily.....dunno why...a lOT of ppl ive met have 1200s!....and they got in!</p>
<p>any of them athletes?</p>
<p>i thought the ivy leagues didnt (and can't) recruit athletes... am i mistaken, i was pretty sure about that before.</p>
<p>I heard they can only recruit a limited amount of athletes for each sport.</p>
<p>Ivy League can recruit athletes they just can't give them scholarships for athletics.</p>
<p>im sorry but this is so fing ridiculous.
i dont want to offend ne athletes out there.
but seriously. think about this way.
lets just go with columbia. its a top ivy league institution and its highly selective.. and all these people want to go there.
so we all work our fing butts off and get the grades.. u noe be the best at what we do (first and foremost academics-wise).. we are qualified and fully deserve a place there.</p>
<p>then a bloody athlete (who can just run or row or throw a ball better than a normal human being) comes along .... and these athletes TAKE the places of people who should deserve that place too.</p>
<p>i just think its ridiculous....... i mean do artists and musicians that are highly talented get special treatment?
so why should bloody athletes get cut slack like that?
i totally disagree with it.</p>
<p>columbia is a top uni.. grades and intellectual abiility most definitely comes before athletics...</p>
<p>Sadly, life is unfair...</p>
<p>I do agree for the most part, but you do have to realize that there is a lot of work and commitment when you arer in a Varsity sport.</p>
<p>all i have to say is... SO?</p>
<p>A TOOONNN of work and commitment and passion is required if you're an artist... or a musician (i would presume)</p>
<p>not everyone is just about their grades..u guys make a sport seem soo insignificant..its a lot of hardwork too..soo u assume what u do is harder than what they do...ur just being bias..another thing..ppl who get 1200s arent stupid..and yes a lot of people do get in with 1200s. </p>
<p>columbia is a top uni..but u have to balance it out..u dont need book worms running around everywhere..columbia isnt like that...neways..im not an athlete at all..i cant even run..but if u got it..darn it, good for you.. i think its great they award that..its imp..</p>
<p>it's all genetics</p>
<p>if you're naturally gifted athletically, and you practice a lot, then you deserve to get into a school as much as a person who is naturally gifted intellectually, and studies alot.</p>
<p>The significant difference that can be pointed out is that a college is an intellectual institution, so the academics may enjoy that aspect of the experience more than the athletes. </p>
<p>And fairness is not really an issue.</p>
<p>actually, artists, musicians, and kids who are really good at some academic subject ARE given preference. it's all about providing a service to the university. athletes compete and improve columbia's name if they do well. science kids who win intel or have published work improve the name of the undergrad science deptartments. </p>
<p>you know how selective columbia is, and it's somewhat foolish to expect that you and your good grades would be given preference over an athlete who will compete for the school.</p>
<p>If it wasn't for Athletics the Ivy League wouldn't even exist.</p>
<p>didn't you just contradict yourself godis?</p>
<p>"actually, artists, musicians, and kids who are really good at some academic subject ARE given preference" ......... "it's somewhat foolish to expect that you and your good grades would be given preference over an athlete who will compete for the school."</p>
<p>no, i didn't. i just didn't explain myself enough. by people who were good at academic stuff, i meant those who won math competitions (who would go on to compete in the Putnam), those who did mock trial/debate/forensics/etc (who go on to do those things in the college league), those who won intel or did research of their own (who would boost the research departments of various subjects). </p>
<p>in short, even though the application process is a stressful period, stop whining.</p>
<p>---------cheers</p>
<p>Agreed.
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<p>I don't think that the university has any obligation to be "fair" at all... it just takes the students that it feels will help itself. Very selfish eh? Well, thats how it works.</p>
<p>Though I guess, if it were to happen, this would make an interesting Supreme Court case or something...
"I have a right to the best education that my academic record warrants, blah blah!"
"We have a right to pick and exclude whoever we want, regardless of academics! You can't force us to choose only best students!"
Judge: "Weeeeellll... interstate commerce, yknow, you -are- selling educations, so the federal govt -can- regulate you..."</p>
<p>lol hehehe..u are not questionin the education that is being sold..there is no law that said no discrimination based on talents..soo colleges can do dat..boo! (talkin shyt)</p>
<p>athletes dominate...............what they do is AMAZING! and plus they increase the University's popularity....running a 4.00 mile for track is pretty awesome and intense and AWESOME again!!!!!! i am not a recruited athlete, but i think they deserve to get in</p>
<p>haha my school has 3 athletes going to columbia
1st: swim and dive
2nd: softball
3rd: archery</p>
<p>fun stuff eh? kinda ruins the chances of the others applying ED from my school</p>