<p>@Pea, Yohobroncos is obviously delusional, he keeps contradicting himself. And Plumazul, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you…your fighting a losing battle. Because we all know, in our minds that affirmative action is total crap. The only reason that people like you support it is because it benefits you.</p>
<p>@Pea: yohobroncos has seen the light. See post #40.</p>
<p>@plumazul:
You know, you’re wrong. CA public schools can’t practice racial AA thanks to Prop. 209, but it is perfectly legal to consider race in the interest of a more diverse student body, though there are limits to how far it can go. See Gratz and Grutter v. Bollinger et al.: [Information</a> on U-M Admissions Lawsuits](<a href=“http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/admissions/overview/cases-summary.html]Information”>http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/admissions/overview/cases-summary.html)</p>
<p>Private schools have even more flexibility.</p>
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Assuming that you are alluding to Regents of the University of California vs. Bakke, you might want to read up on the actual decisions of the court before attempting to use it to defend your argument. At the moment, the very data you are using to support your claims is in fact disproving it.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you are referring to Proposition 209 when claiming that “the courts have spoken”, it still disproves your claims. Please explain the changes in ethnic percentages of the student bodies at the UC schools post Proposition 209 while simultaneously claiming that race-based AA does not exist.</p>
<p>I got a similar call from MIT, so it’s totally believable.</p>
<p>oh great another post full of people b*tching about affirmative action. Well, if it makes you people feel better…</p>
<p>^ Another ignorant poster blindly bashing people who are merely discussing AA.</p>
<p>^ To be fair, dylandlima on the other side is doing its best to restart that flamewar here.</p>
<p>^^ You might want to go easy on throwing the word “ignorant” around. And dylandlima isn’t one of those posters who just “discusses” AA. You can refer to his numerous other posts about the topic if you so feel like it.</p>
<p>^ Congratulations, you make an insulting blanket statement based off of one poster’s behavior. You provide dylandlima as an example, I give you yohobroncos, a poster with a delightful penchant for ad hominem attacks.</p>
<p>^ If you or some of the others are not “b*tching” about AA, then I wasn’t referring to you. Therefore, there’s no need to feel insulted. I admit that I was quick to make the comment. I saw dylandlima’s comments and assumed that this post was just like the others.</p>
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I see only insults directed at plural nouns/pronouns.</p>
<p>Well, this thread ended up pretty much like I expected.</p>
<p>Anyone care for some ice cream?</p>
<p>Chocolate chip cookie dough, please.</p>
<p>man people on the internet are all so mean… makes me almost want to cry but im too lazy.</p>
<p>seriously though? theres no reason to be so feisty people, gosh. i try to argue my point, admit im wrong when enough facts are lined up against me, and stuff like that.</p>
<p>the bakkes case is irrelevant (just saw it up there somewhere), made sure i didnt go in that direction</p>
<p>good luck to all of you (since none of you guys have… actually applied to college yet)</p>
<p>In response to this active debate, I must say that college officials actively search for a diverse student body. It is because of this quest for diversity that URMs get quite a bit of leniency in their academic records. This leniency may be wrong to many, but it actually makes sense for colleges to do this. I have spent much of my academic life fighting for proper acknowledgement from teachers and principals, and from my experience and from the experiences of many who I have come in contact with, I have found that AA is simply a form of counter-racism. And before someone attacks this last statement, I am not implying that the racism is intential by educators. They just expect less from me, whether they know it or not. And it is this low expectation that makes it a little harder for a URM to get to the place of an ORM.</p>
<p>Oh, and I totally agree with yohobroncos. This isn’t a subject to be mad over. Everyone just needs to do what they love and hopefully colleges will recognize the hard work. If you’re are getting worked up about this because you think that you are at a disadvantage then maybe you should spend less time arguing and more time making yourself stand out.</p>
<p>^ Most posters on this thread aren’t mad about the existence of AA. We just disagreed with yohobroncos previous assertion that race-based AA did not exist. The conflict has already been settled after we provided numerous data to support our claims.</p>
<p>one article does not qualify as “numerous data”</p>
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<p>tolalvtweety, </p>
<p>Whom are you responding to? Your points have nothing to do with this debate.</p>
<p>"one article does not qualify as “numerous data” "</p>
<p>One article based on very OLD data …</p>
<p>@plumazul and yohobroncos:</p>
<p>Why would admissions officers say that they give a boost to URMs if they don’t?</p>