My (horrible) U.Arts Audition Experience

<p>My D applied to U. Arts among others for BFA Acting (note: she's not a musical theatre girl). We live an hour from Philly, so we took the train in early this morning for the audition.</p>

<p>There were easily 150 kids at the audition day, and roughly 85 of them were for some type of theatre. Apparently, they took all of the theatre kids off (while we parents stayed behind for an info session and tour- be prepared NOT to see your kid for the rest of the day. No parents-in-the-holding-rooms here!) for a little info session. They then went to group warm-ups, and were seperated into holding rooms by last name. My D says that of the 30 kids in her room, there were only 4 BFA acting as opposed to 26 musical theatre.</p>

<p>The way it works at U.Arts is that everyone goes through round one of auditions, from 10 AM - 12:30PM. There is then a callback sheet posted (roughly 30 kids from the 85 auditioning) and those called back stay until around 3. This is not a 'we need to see you again' callback sheet. This is a 'if you're not on the sheet, thanks for applying, but the answer is no' kind of sheet.</p>

<p>My D waited in the room until about 12, when she was called. The student walking her to the audition room said that she was the last acting audition of the day. She then entered a room where two bored-looking men sat at a desk with a computer and binders. They said hello, and then..... nothing. My D waited for an awkward moment, waiting for them to ask her a question or tell her what piece to do first. She then asked "Does it matter which piece I start with?" and the one auditioner chuckled and said "Yeah, you have to start with whatever piece you want to start with."</p>

<p>She did her classical first, and noticed with dismay that one man was staring at the computer screen, while the other drummed his fingers and looked out the window. After she finnished, they said nothing. Another awkard few seconds of silence passed before she just decided to introduce and start with her contemporary. She says at this point, one of the men leaned his head against the table, and the other began TEXTING. She could tell that they were barely listening to or watching her. After she finished, silence again. She asked "Is there anything else you need to see or ask me?" and one man said "No. That's it. Thanks".</p>

<p>I get that these people are watching lots of kids audition. But this is what they signed on for. How dare they 'check out' towards the end of auditions, and deny my D basic respect or consideration? She didn't get the callback, and although she was approached by a woman who asked her if she would be interested in the directing/writing program, she left feeling horrible about herself- not because she felt she did poorly in her performances, but she wasn't even worth the attention of the auditioners! I swear, my protective mama bear instinct came out and I wanted to go give those men a talking to!!</p>

<p>She's arleady in at Marymount Manhattan and Mason Gross, so we'll see what happens. I just wanted to warn all you other moms out there that there are some pretty unprofessional people over at U. Arts, who decide that once they're tired of auditions, they mentally check out, and disrespect the poor kids who have been preparing for so long!</p>

<p>PS: My D had her application in months ago, and our last name begins with A. Audition call is not based on application submission date, check-in time, or alphabet. It's totally random, so be prepared: this could be you.</p>

<p>If she is already in at Mason Gross…then I wouldn’t worry about uarts. (which by the way our son had a very positive experience there in his audtions and was accepted but decided to go elsewhere, so you never know) I agree the big parents meeting at uarts wasn’t very good.</p>

<p>My D was there yesterday too and recognizes one of the guys you describe. She had a better overall experience, but definitely knows what you are talking about. I really hope someone from UArts reads this because there is no excuse for being rude to these kids. This will do their program a disservice. Your D will be happy without their program. Don’t let people like this get in her way.</p>

<p>If your daughter is in at Mason Gross she has no need of UArts. I’d paste and send them this thread. I’m auditioning for UARTs this weekend. Thanks for posting this. If I get the same treatment I won’t take it personally. Sheesh!</p>

<p>If you’re really concerned, and it was a top school on her list, you can appeal and say you think the audition was conducted unfairly, and they may give her a second try. But I know from experience that a) auditioners can often tell from the first line whether or not they’ll call you back and b) they may not always have to watch you to know.</p>

<p>Congrats to your daughter for Marymount Manhattan, though. I always wanted to apply there!</p>

<p>@ dreamgirl</p>

<p>Thanks, my D is excited about Marymount as well as Rutgers. I mentioned the ‘appeal’ thing to her, and she said that she didn’t see herself being happy in a program with staff who behaved that way during auditions. I figured that was a pretty mature response. I’m not dissing U Arts or their program, I’m just upset with the specific two individuals that auditioned her.</p>

<p>And as for ‘knowing by the first line…’ I agree and understand. But in a college-audition setting, where these are young kids putting themselves out there, I think it’s only fair to at least PRETEND to give them consideration while face-to-face.</p>

<p>I hope you do let them know what happened, though. UArts is supposed to be a friendly, cooperative place, and every experience we have had with them so far has been consistent with this characterization. Perhaps they will want to know if their staff have been outstandingly rude, dismissive, and inept.</p>

<p>sskylaarr, it’s a shame that your daughter had such a disappointing experience at UArts, particularly because what she experienced is not the “norm” for the school and she was unfortunately deprived of the more positive experience most students have. No student should walk out of an audition feeling the way your daughter did because of the deportment of the individual auditors. I remember how devastated my daughter felt when at an audition at a different, well regarded school, as she was a quarter of the way through her ballad, one of the auditors leaned over and said to another, in a voice which could be clearly heard, “She doesn’t have it.” To this day, we will never know to what the auditor was actually referring (my daughter was accepted but declined the school, so we will never know whether the comment was about my daughter’s singing or about a lost piece of paper) but sometimes auditors, for whatever reason, are insensitive to the impact even the most unintended actions or words can have on a student who has so much of themselves invested in this process. </p>

<p>For others who may be auditioning at UArts, your post highlights a couple of other things that warrant additional comment. First, from what I understand, the auditors at UArts now routinely use laptops to enter notes and scores into a shared database during the audition. While in the past there were hardcopy forms filled out during the audition, now this same process is being done electronically so that the information is instantly available for all those making decisions about call backs and for the ultimate admissions decision. It’s the same process that existed in the past and that exists at most schools - taking notes and filling out an audition evaluation sheet during the audition - but now it is being done electronically. It doesn’t mean the auditors are not paying attention, but it could be an unexpected distraction for a student so be aware that this is part of the audition process.</p>

<p>In addition, the audition days can be long at UArts, particularly now that there is a bifurcated process because of the call backs. Also, on most of the audition days, both MT and Acting students are scheduled with the result that there can be a large group. The MT students and Acting students all do their monologues in front of the same auditors from the Acting department, so depending on the number of students and audition panels on a given day and on the logistics of operating the voice and dance auditions for the MT kids, there may be a large mix of MT kids in with the Acting students when the groups are set up for the acting auditions. Because the day is long and the tour and info sessions relatively short in comparison, it’s not a bad idea for parents to plan on taking advantage of the multitude of restaurants, cafes, bookstores other shops in the area to pass the time while your student is auditioning. When our daughter auditioned at UArts a few years ago, we arranged for her to text message us when she was done. After we did the tour and info session, we still had a couple of hours to kill. It’s also a good idea for a student to pack a snack and a bottle or two of water to hold them over.</p>

<p>Finally, the moment of awkwardness you described after the initial “hellos” brings up an important point. The process of how the audition occurs will vary from school to school and even due to different “styles” different auditors have within the same school. At some schools, the structure of how the audition proceeds will be interactive with the auditors looking at the audit info sheet and giving direction to the student. At others, the auditors will expect the student to be self directed. Sometimes a school’s website gives explicit instructions on how a student should comport themselves, very often there is no guidance. The best bet is for students to assume that once they walk into the room and say hello, that they will be responsible to “direct” themselves. Be prepared to simply walk up to the mark, announce the pieces you are going to do in the sequence you have decided and then dive right in. If the auditors have some other notion of how they want to proceed, they will probably tell you; expect that there will be conspicuous silence, however, so that you will be prepared to take control. Some schools put you in this position by design as one of the elements of the audition!</p>

<p>It is ashame that your D had a bad experience. My S had that same issue happen to him when he auditioned at another well known school for MT. He said that while he was singing that the one auditor started to text on her phone and then finally looked up at him like “oh, thats right I was supposed to be listening” He was also toward the end of the day. He had a great experience and UArts though and we did not encounter any unfriendly people. I hope your D has great success at MM.</p>

<p>My D also had a very bad, and actually very similar, auditioning experience at UArts in December. Now that she has already auditioned for a total (so far) of six schools, this stands out as by far her worst experience.</p>

<p>HSN, you don’t detail what happened but I wonder if your D had the same particular auditors as sskylaarr’s D because the negative experiences you and sskylaarr have reported are contrary to what you normally hear. If you feel strongly about what occurred, and you feel comfortable in doing so, you should send an email to Charles Gilbert, the head of the School of Theater Arts. If there are a couple of auditors whose comportment is creating a bad experience for students, he would want to know.</p>

<p>MichaelNKat, it wasn’t just the auditors, although they were obviously an issue. It was everything, the waiting around, the way they put the kids in a holding room together and told them to talk, not letting kids know when they were going, not allowing the kids the opportunity for any private space to prepare, discouraging them from even turning their face into a corner and rehearse their monologue in their heads. The whole callback thing is I think unnecessarily harsh. But it’s one school of many, she liked it when she first visited but was turned off by the audition, and even if she had gotten a callback she would have felt the same way. Just not very friendly. Sorry…I know you love the school for your child and have always been an informative advocate.</p>

<p>My D auditioned at the LA Unifieds this past weekend for UARTS and had a great experience. She auditioned for MT and the only one in the room was Charles Gilbert the head of theatre at UARTS. She had a wonderful audition and did 2 songs, 2 monologues and a short dance routine to show her proficiency. </p>

<p>I know that 2 girls my D met at the summer program at UARTS did the on campus audition for MT and neither made the callback and both were very disappointed. They only got to do one song and the dance.</p>

<p>HSN, everyone is entitled to and should reach their own conclusions based on their own experiences and evaluation. There is no question that auditors - whether it be UArts or any other school - should act professionally and with respect for the students who appear before them. </p>

<p>In thinking about some of the comments on this thread in the context of my own daughter’s school audition experiences 3 years ago (Uarts, CMU, Emerson, Syracuse, Ithaca) and the other audition experiences she has had (college shows, summer stock, community theater, employment with an entertainment company) I am puzzled by some of the things that are being complained about. Taking it out of the context of UArts specifically, these are questions and issues that are germane to the school audition process generally and to the nature of expectations a student may have as they embark on a career path in theater. Some of these expectations, I think, may be unrealistic and therefore result in unsatisfactory feelings about the audition process.</p>

<p>The “day of” a school audition is a time consuming process. Of the schools my daughter auditioned at, the shortest day was 4 1/2 hours (which happened to be at UArts before they initiated the call back procedure) and the longest was 6 hours. Students should be prepared to kill the day, mostly with waiting around to be shuffled from one part of the audition to another. My daughter’s experience was not unique; her friends, both MT and acting candidates, reported similar time commitments, most of it spent sitting around waiting. My daughter will be auditioning for a summer stock production in a couple of weeks; it’s a non-equity call and she will arrive 2 hours before the doors open just to get herself on the list as early as possible. She will have her audition, at what ever point she is called, then wait around to see if she is on the call back list for later that day. She expects to kill the entire afternoon and (if she is fortunate to get a call back) the early evening. Sitting around, waiting to be called, is just often the way it is, whether it be school auditions or the real world. Are there exceptions, sure there are. But having to sit around and wait, in my view, is just part of the process and should not make an audition a “bad experience”.</p>

<p>At all of my daughter’s school auditions, students were kept together as a group in a “holding area” to await their turn. Sometimes the group was divided into subgroups because of either size or because as an MT student she had a 3 part audition and the groups would rotate in a different sequence. At none of the schools were students given practice rooms to use to review materials or do warmups. Maybe at some schools where the number of auditioners on each day is small, the school may do so. Most schools don’t have the facilities to do so, particularly where the number of auditions each day is high. Students either warmed up as part of a group warm up or vocalized privately while waiting with their group. Students also spent a lot of time chatting with each other, turning the waiting into a social opportunity. Some found that eased stress. For those who didn’t want to, they kept to themselves. Some students reviewed their materials, others did not, depending on their comfort level. Similarly, when my daughter auditioned for summer stock last summer, at a well know summer stock theater company, auditioners waited together in the theater’s lobby for their names to be called. Any one who wanted to chat did, any one who wanted to review materials did so. No one was offered a practice room. And frankly, while reviewing your materials while waiting may feel comforting, if you don’t have your materials down cold by the time you arrive for you audition, you are not going to nail it by practicing the day of.</p>

<p>Related to this, students should walk into their auditions prepared to “get down to business” and present their materials without any prompting from the panel. Expect that after initial “hellos” (and reviewing your songs with the accompanist if it is a MT audition) that the audition panel will expect you to proceed of your own initiative. You want to project poise and preparedness. Schools look for this. Some schools may be interactive by asking a student to commence with a particular piece from the audition info sheet but don’t walk in expecting this. Many others will sit and wait for the student to commence. My daughter had a summer stock audition where she walked in, said hello, spoke with the accompanist, walked to the mark and then stood there in the “awkward silence” that sskylaarr described until she realized that the auditiors were waiting for her to nod to the accompanist to start the audition. No one gave her any prompting, no one asked her what her first piece was; every one sat there waiting for my daughter. And this was a summer stock production at a summer stock theater company run by a college that is known to be extremely “warm and fuzzy”. The audition panel did not sit there in silence because they were cold and detached; rather, they expected my daughter to be in control of her own presentation. The same concept applies to college auditions. </p>

<p>Same day call backs at college auditions used as an immediate process to cut down the applicant pool is never a fun experience. They produce additional stress and anxiety while waiting to see if your name is on the list and, for many, create immediate feelings of rejection while still in the thick of the audition season. UArts only recently moved to this 2 step process but there are many other schools that have done this for years. I personally am not a fan of this approach but the schools that do this presumptively have an artistic, educational or other articulable reason for doing this. The reality is, though, that once accepted to a school and embarking on a career in performing, call backs will be part of your way of life. The success of each initial audition will be measured by whether you get a call back and the success of your call back measured by whether you get the role. If a student is not comfortable with the prospect of an immediate rejection, then don’t apply to schools that have call back lists that are posted the same day. But keep in mind that call backs and rejections before call backs are about to become a routine part of your life.</p>

<p>Finally, I note showmom’s comment about the students who attended UArts summer program but were not listed for call backs. A point worth remembering about summer programs is that they are not an assurance that a student will have a successful audition at the school.My daughter attended 2 summer programs and applied to both school. Many of her friends from the summer programs also applied to the schools. The vast majority of them were rejected. Do a summer program because you want the experience and training and because it will be an enjoyable way to spend the summer. Don’t expect it to give you an “in” at the school.</p>

<p>I guess my point is this (hopefully without sounding preachy). College auditions are the first step, for most students, into the world of professional theater. For many of us, it’s a whole different world from what our kids probably experienced in high school. There are aspects to the college auditioning process that may not to our liking because it is a process that has a foot in the world of “professional theater” in ways that are not comfortable, convenient or within the realm of our expectations of a college application process. As I said at the beginning, this is not an excuse for anyone to act with rudeness but at the same time, students must realize that often the audition process is not going to provide amenities and conveniences they would like. The lack of conveniences or amenities, whether the audition panel is warm and interactive or business-like and to the point, is not what makes an audition good or bad. In the final analysis, it’s what you and only you bring to the audition that counts. Walk in expecting your auditions to be like a cattle call, be pleasantly surprised when it is not.</p>

<p>excellent advice about this way of life.</p>

<p>Very well said MichaelNKat. MT life is all about waiting to be called. I have a question for you and am going to PM you.</p>

<p>Somehow I seemed to have gotten into this, and I’m not even the OP. I am not unknowledgeable about school auditions, and coincidentally have also worked in and around casting for both TV and theatre. In other school auditions, yes, the kids were put in a group, but at other auditions they were allowed to, say, wander down the hall for a moment alone, not to mention check in with a parent if they needed to. My D just recently at one audition went and warmed up her voice in a stairwell. My D just said that the people (maybe they were students at the school) were not allowing the kids their own space and were over encouraging them to socialize. My D likes to socialize, she just wanted a bit of down time to prepare. I certainly never expected her to have a practice room! In professional casting sessions you see actors doing their monologues into corners or a wall, or even a bathroom stall if necessary. She just felt disrespected. I am VERY aware this is a tough business, but I prefer an audition situation that still recognizes that these are 17 and 18 year old kids, they are looking at decades of rejection, but the truth is that the vast majority of schools do not use a callback system at this time. You make good points, Michael, but I just don’t want to be misunderstood.</p>

<p>HSN, I understand where you are coming from. I really don’t know why some schools use a call back “cut” system. As I said, I am not a fan of this approach. I also understand the reaction of parents when student’s report experiences where they felt disrespected. When my daughter came out of her audition at Syracuse almost in tears because one of the auditors audibly stated, as my daughter was doing her ballad, “She doesn’t have it”, I was ready to kill. It is a very stressful time for 17 and 18 year olds and unfortunately sometimes individuals involved in the audition process loose sight of this.</p>

<p>Michael - You have given great perspective on this whole process with your post above. My D just finished her 8th audition yesterday and has one final one this weekend which will make 9 total this week. On our drive home from LA last night all she said to me was “I just want to get in somewhere.” She has felt confident during her entire audition season, except at her very first audition which she felt that her nerves has her second guessing herself. She is very realistic and knows what the odds are for a girl soprano and she has a plan if she does not get into an audition school.</p>

<p>The only reason I metioned that a few kids had not been called back at UARTS (that were in the summer program) is because D ran into them at another school they were all auditioning for. My D loved her month in Philly at UARTS last summer, but in no way felt it gave her any leg up in the UART audition. </p>

<p>D tells her Dad and I all the time that the life of an actress is 99% rejection, but because of her passion she is ready to live that life!</p>