<p>hey- change of topic- my partner is up for a new job in " Novardo??" calif where we would relocate part-time. Near the wine country?? Supposed to be really beautiful?Any of you Californian’s ever heard of it?</p>
<p>anything near the wine country has my vote!</p>
<p>cpt: since tufts will let him attend even without the vaccine, I guess there is nothing i can do otther than prod him occasionally. Good point though about other risky behavior, it just happens to be rt in my backyard. His only other ambition is to be national president of Hell’s Angels- sigh- ( too many motorcycle TV series- what’s that one that’s based on MacBeth??)</p>
<p>One thing that may be persuasive to some young people about vaccinations is that there is an altruistic (or patriotic) reason to get them–they aren’t just to protect you, but also to protect other people who can’t get the vaccination for medical reasons, or for whom the vaccination was ineffective. It’s an opportunity for students to think a little about the big picture, and not just about themselves. (Also useful for discussing Gardasil vaccination with boys.)</p>
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<p>The “organic” types are often those who are ideologically most suspicious of vaccines and modern medicine, even when there is strong scientific backing.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, enough modern medical treatments are are done with weak scientific backing that it is easy for the less informed to become suspicious of all of modern medicine, including vaccines which have strong scientific backing.</p>
<p>And when one has an “organic” or “natural” preferring ideological bent, it is easy to think that the “natural” state of humanity, which was to actually get infectious diseases, is preferable. Vaccines may be a victim of their own success, in that one rarely sees people with permanent disabilities from “natural” infections like meningitis, polio, measles, smallpox, etc. or never sees friends or family die from such “natural” infections.</p>
<p>Indeed, in the days before modern vaccines, people realized that some infections were once in a lifetime events. When less deadly strains of smallpox went around, people would try to get infected in order to be protected against the more deadly strains that may come later. Of course, this was riskier than cowpox or the derived modern vaccine against smallpox, but people were willing to “vaccinate” themselves (despite the risk of the “vaccine” which was the less deadly form of smallpox) against deadly diseases that they frequently saw killing or disabling people they knew.</p>
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And they are the same people who will go into the “organic health food” store and buy all kinds of phony baloney remedies and cures that have no scientific backing at all. Gah! Sorry…a pet peeve of mine.</p>
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<p>It is only controversial in that it carries implications about sexual behavior that are offensive to social conservatives. (Just like contraceptives…)</p>
<p>uc: I completely agree w you- he has never seen a really sick person, or even seen anyone die- and, because he is so sheltered from the hard cruel realities of serious illness, he can afford to dismiss vaccines. He’s never seen those documentarys on the polio victims living 50 yrs in an iron lung. Someday, I can only hope to know as much as my kid (LOL)- I believe i norganic, non GMO if possible, but, I’m not a purist- if I want to eat something like a barbecue potato chip- I will (I also get Botox) A Foot in both camps as it were. Now, before i get fired- I’m really, really going back to work. Talk w you guys later _ SMILEY face</p>
<p>Glad you and your son reached a little resolution— honestly, he will be okay with the recent immunization. </p>
<p>And Menactra (and the newer version, Menveo) is not really controversial either— C’s son has his anti-vaccine issues mixed up (thimerosal is not in Menactra)-- so the controversies don’t seem to matter here, it’s the overlying general issue of vaccines, it seems? Or not–the OPs son has me confused, lol!</p>
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Originally Posted by swattiechick
Gardasil is not controversial…
UCBALUMNUS: It is only controversial in that it carries implications about sexual behavior that are offensive to social conservatives. (Just like contraceptives…) *</p>
<p>Just a comment on this: I don’t know if its controversial, but I don’t know that it’s widely accepted either. I am a mom whose kids got all the recommended vax, but I am holding off on this. My concern is twofold: it’s new, and we don’t know what (if any) long-term effects this vaccine might have. Additionally, not all of the HPV strains are covered by this vaccine. I believe some of the “nastier” ones are not.</p>
<p>Sorry for the hijack OP!</p>
<p>Most recent detailed discussion here of Gardasil:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1322250-gardasil-boys.html?highlight=gardasil[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1322250-gardasil-boys.html?highlight=gardasil</a></p>
<p>But Suzy, Gardisil prevents some strains and strains that can lead to cancers of the throat.</p>
<p>Thank you^^</p>
<p>Just a quick note. OP said her son did have a meningitis vaccination several years ago, so he has been vaccinated and should not require a waiver. I do not believe that schools absolutely require the 2nd (booster) shot. Am I mistaken?</p>
<p>I think it depends on the school. Older Ds school didn’t require the vaccine at all, & as she had a single room during her stay, there probably wasn’t a need.
Younger D had all the shots & then some as she had traveled to both India and Africa in the two years before college.</p>
<p>I would agree that every parent gets frustrated with their child’s behavior, but I would disagree that there is no difference between thinking they are a brat and thinking they are a piece of #*^t. Language matters, and an adult screaming at their kid or ripping up their homework to make a point, is someone who has lost authority, but losing control is not the way to regain it.</p>
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<p>Not trying to influence your Gardisil decision, but I did not hesitate.</p>
<p>Cervical cancer is a “quiet” cancer that strikes young females fast & furious. S</p>
<p>I survived it by a stroke of luck that a PAP was inconclusive and a repeat PA came back fine. Went for a 2nd opinion. 2nd doctor did a level of testing above PAP. </p>
<p>Back in the 1990s a college acquaintance dies at the age of 20. She knew she had cancer for about 3 weeks.</p>
<p>All 3 of kids had the vaccine - including my boys. Most men develop the throat cancer later in life.</p>
<p>^^I appreciate the input, I do. This is not something I decided on quickly, and I very well may change my mind on it. I’ve researched it as best I can, and have had multiple, lengthy conversations about it with my doc. My girls are not yet sexually active (yes, I know and yes, I think I will know, or at least will see the signs) and so I have a little more time. I also have had bad paps, have required treatment and have to be watched closely so I do understand that it’s serious. I guess I’m hoping that I can wait a little longer for any more information to come in on it. (And I’m glad that you went for that second opinion, Longhaul. That’s scary stuff.)</p>
<p>My kids haven’t had the gardasil. They also had the hep B late. They were in MS when the
hep B came out, and there was no way they would have caught that until they were much older. </p>
<p>When I knew to tell them about the gardasil they decided to skip it. That could be the consequence of anybody deciding to wait on a vaccine.</p>
<p>An interesting point about the Gardasil vaccine is that it is made by Merck.</p>
<p>They also make the shingle vaccine, which was moved to recommended for 50+, from 60+, and then moved back to recommended for 60+. I don’t know of any reason that it was moved both times, other than that “it was recommended”.</p>
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<p>For many people, personal observation, or an occasional news event in the current time frame, carries more weight than scientific evidence or events from the past. The occasional adverse reaction to vaccine in the news is much more apparent today than the actual diseases that have been suppressed in the US by the vaccines. Perhaps pointing out occasional measles, pertussis, polio, etc. among the unvaccinated may get his attention:</p>
<p>[Measles</a> — United States, 2011](<a href=“http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6115a1.htm]Measles”>Measles — United States, 2011)
[CDC</a> - Pertussis: Outbreaks](<a href=“http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/outbreaks.html]CDC”>Pertussis (Whooping Cough) Outbreaks | CDC)
<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/health/08iht-polio.html?pagewanted=all[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/health/08iht-polio.html?pagewanted=all</a></p>
<p>Note that meningitis in particular has a high risk of death:</p>
<p>[MMS:</a> Error](<a href=“http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1005384]MMS:”>http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1005384)</p>
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