My master's wasn't worth it

[ucbalumnus]

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@jnm123

the health-care rubric gets blown up, not compensating doctors enough to pay off these loans. Don’t laugh–it’s possible.

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<p>Actually, isn’t it already the case that many new debt-laden MDs feel that they cannot go into the lower paid primary care specialties because they would have difficulty paying off their debt at the pay levels of the primary care specialties?</p>

[texaspg]

<p>Sorry I was not more clear, it was meant to reflect timefames. </p>

<p>Most students graduate at 22, get a masters by 24 or 25 and while in thirties means they probably had 15+ years to pay off if we refer to 30s. Doctors are still in school/residency until almost 30 but get to pay of their loans very quickly, more like 5-10 years.</p>

<p>It is very burdensome to carry around student loans for 15-20 year timeframes.</p>

[Vladenschlutte]

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I still graduated from the program, but because I had not finished my internship, I was unable to get a license to practice as a psychologist.

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<p>This sounds like a problem of insane over-regulation by the government.</p>

[lookingforward]

<p>Overregulation? or a necessary component to practice as a licensed psychologist? You want a psych with book learning only?</p>

[xiggi]

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<p>University of California studies indicate that the SAT math sections have essentially zero predictive value on college GPAs … <<<<</p>
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<p>and that is obviously the same group of luminaries who hated the SAT so much to force TCB to extend the SAT by including the lowly used writing test. .Ah such importance given to Atkinson’s grandaughter! </p>

<p>Then the UC loved the Subject Tests only to change their mind. Probably ran out of mercenary researchers to deliver the “research” bought to support the whims of the leader. Of course, the Geigers of the world are not be reined in that easily and the research du jour still show up with regularity.</p>

<p>Wish they’d spent the money on a new logo and stop trying to justify their lacking admission model and horrendous attempts at social engineering through positions that end up affecting negatively students nationwide. </p>

<p>A rudderless ship is what comes to mind when reading anything that contains the letters UC.</p>

[lookingforward]

<p>^Isn’t there some Newtonian-type law about entities seeking whatever it takes to preserve themselves and their perceived role? The tests tell me more about a kid’s motivation to blow out the tests than anything about chances for success in life or even what the definition of success should be.</p>

[Beliavsky]

<p>The [SAT</a> Report on College & Career Readiness: 2012](<a href=“http://media.collegeboard.com/homeOrg/content/pdf/sat-report-college-career-readiness-2012.pdf]SAT”>http://media.collegeboard.com/homeOrg/content/pdf/sat-report-college-career-readiness-2012.pdf) says</p>

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the SAT Benchmark score of 1550 indicates a 65 percent likelihood of achieving a B- average or higher during the first year of college, which research suggests is indicative of a high likelihood of college success and completion.

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<p>I doubt that students who cannot be expected to earn a B- average, even with the inflation of college grades that has occurred, should be pursuing bachelor’s degrees.</p>

<p>The [ACT</a> College Readiness Benchmarks](<a href=“http://www.act.org/solutions/college-career-readiness/college-readiness-benchmarks/]ACT”>http://www.act.org/solutions/college-career-readiness/college-readiness-benchmarks/)</p>

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18 English
22 Mathematics
21 Reading
24 Science</p>

<p>which would be a 21 composite score, equivalent to an SAT CR+M score of about 1000.</p>

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The benchmarks are scores on the ACT subject-area tests that represent the level of achievement required for students to have a 50% chance of obtaining a B or higher or about a 75% chance of obtaining a C or higher in corresponding credit-bearing first-year college courses. These college courses include English composition, college algebra, introductory social science courses, and biology.

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<p>Maybe saying that someone with a 1500 3-part SAT score should not go to college is too strong, but I would have real reservations about sending my kids to a 4-year college with such scores.</p>

[Beliavsky]

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@Pizzagirl

Why are you so concerned about all the “little people” who shouldn’t go to college? What’s it to you?

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<p>Pushing too many people through college can make them less productive, because they may conditioned to reject certain jobs, as described in this NYT article about China.</p>

<p>[Chinese</a> Graduates Say No Thanks to Factory Jobs](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/25/business/as-graduates-rise-in-china-office-jobs-fail-to-keep-up.html]Chinese”>As Graduates Rise in China, Office Jobs Fail to Keep Up - The New York Times)</p>

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A result is an anomaly: Jobs go begging in factories while many educated young workers are unemployed or underemployed. A national survey of urban residents, released this winter by a Chinese university, showed that among people in their early 20s, those with a college degree were four times as likely to be unemployed as those with only an elementary school education.

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[Vladenschlutte]

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Overregulation? or a necessary component to practice as a licensed psychologist? You want a psych with book learning only?

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<p>I’d like the option to choose. And this guy only missed out on a few days of an internship.</p>

[Pizzagirl]

<p>Oh, PLEASE don’t pretend that the culture there is the same as here.</p>

[Oivoiv]

<p>I’d pay to see a production of Much Ado About Nothing with Pizzagirl as Beatrice and Beliavsky as Benedick.</p>

[blossom]

<p>I think people who want their manicurists performing podiatry and their facialists removing potentially malignant growths on their face should absolutely be able to do that. But for the rest of us… who would like some measure of assurance that a medical professional has met some minimum standard… back off. Every year there are sad stories of someone who died because her hairdresser gave her botox or whatever. And every year the folks who want the option to choose show up to claim that we have over-regulated the medical profession. Go ahead and get whatever procedure you want in the privacy of someone’s basement… but the licensing is there to protect the rest of us.</p>

[victoriaheidi]

<p>Bel, I appreciate your point, but I know plenty of people whom you’d consider ideal higher education candidates…who still reject jobs that aren’t “the perfect job.”</p>

[polarscribe]

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@NYT

A result is an anomaly: Jobs go begging in factories while many educated young workers are unemployed or underemployed.

Well, I wouldn’t want to work in a factory, either. The work often <em>is</em> regimented, uninspiring, disconnected and lacking in agency. “Do exactly this same thing over and over and over and over again for 8 hours per day, 40 hours per week.” Quite honestly, that’s not a natural human condition.</p>

[poetgrl]

<p>How have we now arrived at worrying about Chinese factories?</p>

<p>Just sayin’</p>

[lookingforward]

<p>Guess Bel disagrees with the Fair Test schools.</p>

[Beliavsky]

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@Pizzagirl

Oh, PLEASE don’t pretend that the culture there is the same as here.

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<p>Many of the commenters at the NYT site think some American college graduates have the same attitudes as the Chinese ones. This is not surprising, because it is human nature to be disappointed if you go to college thinking a college degree is a ticket to a well-paying white collar job and find out upon graduation that your job options are those of high school graduates.</p>

[Pizzagirl]

<p>Oivoiv, that was good. I got the reference; I wonder if Bel will. Shakespeare isn’t quantifiable.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

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<p>I still graduated from the program, but because I had not finished my internship, I was unable to get a license to practice as a psychologist.

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This sounds like a problem of insane over-regulation by the government.

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<p>He was given the opportunity to come back and do the internship again, and he didn’t do it. </p>

<p>In nursing, you can take and pass all your classes, but if you don’t complete your clinical rotations, you cannot graduate and get permission to take NCLEX. You can graduate with a perfect GPA in your B.S.N. program, but if you don’t take the NCLEX, you cannot get a nursing license. “Almost finishing” is not good enough.</p>

[mokusatsu]

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Shakespeare isn’t quantifiable.

What about Two Gentlemen of Verona?</p>