My parents think no non-Ivy school is worth going

<p>The best way into Finance is not necessarily Business School. My very successful husband and his friends were mostly Math and Physics majors. I think you must stop listening to your parents, who sound extremely conventional and not necessarily knowledgable, and listen to yourself, make your choices, and then frame your argument carefully.</p>

<p>Don’t major in something to make your parents happy if it will make you miserable.</p>

<p>My parents not being satisfied with any college on my list of choices is exactly what confuses me.</p>

<p>I am on F-1 for a boarding school in America. My parents are in Korea. I have not looked into how investment visa works.</p>

<p>I do know there are Koreans at UVA. I even know several who go there. I myself honestly couldn’t care less about the Korean population (Davidson has 5 Koreans in the entire school), but alumni connection probably is important, so I don’t object to that. Also, my dad couldn’t afford college in his days, so he’s trying to channel his ambitions through me. He’s all about the school name.</p>

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<p>Used to be NYU and then they don’t like NYU anymore. I’m really confused. They wouldn’t tell me.</p>

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<p>No, they are not very open about family finances. I do have the bank statement for my college funding account, and I can pay for NYU. Not sure how much they have saved aside from that.</p>

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<p>I honestly think they do. I moved for high school because I was set on going to college in America. Now they’re backing out.</p>

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<p>No, they are coming in May and that’s after the reply day.</p>

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<p>I would not advise “must stop listening to your parents”. They pay the bill. Secondly, the parents are also in the disappointment and confusion state. They just want to pour out the anger. I hope things will be settled down peacefully in a week or so. Over-reacting may lead to bad consequence.</p>

<p>I would make sure to send in your commitment to one of these colleges to insure you at least have a place in the fall. You would lose your deposit if you have to back out, but at least that will give you more time to convince your parents, past May 1.</p>

<p>As others have pointed out, you have a terrific list of choices. But in the end, you’ll need your parents to pay. </p>

<p>I think the “reflectory” period is helpful, for both you and your parents. Sometimes it takes a little while to digest all of the impacts of such important decisions. </p>

<p>If you can ascertain which schools they WOULD pay for, perhaps you’ll need to make that university your choice if you want to go to college in the US this year. Keep in mind that most students seem to be fairly happy wherever they end up.</p>

<p>Perhaps your guidance counselor could talk to your parents?</p>

<p>I think your parents are probably getting harangued from all sides back in Korea, and nothing can possibly overcome that until they get here after May 1st. Maybe you can propose to make a deposit at your best choice (whatever you think that is), and then together you make a go-no go decision when they can get here, visit your first choice, and talk to some people here in the U.S. I’m suggesting you propose that to them as a plan, with very little money at risk; not on the sneak.</p>

<p>I agree with whydoicare. Your parents made a big financial sacrifice to send you to boarding school in the US, and they expect a certain return on that investment. They (and all the friends back in Korea) thought that by sending you here to study, you would be guaranteed admission to a certain category of college or university. There also is every chance that whoever facilitated your choice of boarding school actively fed this expectation. Unless someone inside your boarding school has made a big effort to keep your parents’ goals for you realistic, there almost certainly has not been sufficient evidence to cause your parents to change what they thought you would be able to achieve.</p>

<p>Finding out the hard way about the truth of college admissions in the US, after spending whatever it was that they spent on your years here, certainly must be a blow to your parents. Not only do they have to work their way through the emotional fall-out, they have to come up with ways to explain what happened to their friends, relatives, and colleagues in Korea - most of whom have unrealistic assumptions about the US admission process.</p>

<p>Do your best to keep the lines of communication open as you work with them to come up with a solution that all of you can live with.</p>

<p>I think you should send your deposit to UVA. Does the Echols come with financial aid? If it does, I don’t see why you can pick NYU over UVA.</p>

<p>Do you have plans to move to Korea after school? If yes, then I will suggest you also apply to SKY if it is not too late.</p>

<p>Since your family sent you here for years of boarding school (which the COA is almost in par with private colleges) and have asset to invest for green card, I am positive your family CAN afford the US tuition, the question is whether they WILL pay for your choice of school. It is really up to you to convince them.</p>

<p>You have to put yourself in their shoes to see their perspective and their expectation. It is likely that their expectation is set very high hoping that you will be admitted to the US name brand Ivies (HYP…). Unfortunately, these schools already have tons of American raised nerdy Asian boys with great stat; you are just another name to them unless you have some very good stories… Applications in the international pool is extremely selective, but unlike your case (being practically US-raised); with international applicants, they are bringing in foreign culture/diversity. You’ll have to pull the statistics and facts from the common data set to help your parents understand this.</p>

<p>That said, your academic stat is good but NOT great among local nerdy Asian boys or international applicants. You are fortunate enough to have a very good list of admitted schools and partial scholarship (which international students rarely get). I would again suggest explaining these achievements to your parents.</p>

<p>Since you are foreign students (and need to pay OOS for the state schools), the price tags for all the schools should be the same (around $55K/yr) regardless. One point here is that you may have to convince them why US colleges vs. (possibly free) South Korean University. </p>

<p>If future careers and jobs are of importance, and in particular in finance, perhaps you can convince them the NY network is important versus the remote UVA. (IMO, both are excellent schools)
It appears that you are not sure what you want to major??</p>

<p>Visa students - regardless of visa status (F-1, J-1, H-2…) cannot work without authorization, and do not qualify for finaid, except grants from a few generous schools. Furthermore, with your parents asset even if you can apply, you will not have demonstrated need. Therefore, you will need their support to pay for college. </p>

<p>Good luck, in 20-30 years when you are parent of college applicants, you will know ;-)</p>

<p>Echoing post #6, I would gather bios of alums at the schools you got accepted to and are still considering. Check out their career success and bring that evidence to your parents. You could also just point-blank put it to your parents:</p>

<p>"Water over the dam that I’m past the application season for all those schools you now wish I applied to, so it’s too late for me to please you in that department. I have 4 choices:
(1) Choose one of the fine schools I was accepted to (and here are bios of their graduates)
(2) Take a gap year and reapply or change my list
(3) Go to a community college in the States in a State with a good transfer policy.
(4) Bypass college altogether, and try to get a job without a degree.</p>

<p>Which of those 4 options would you like me to do, parents?"</p>

<p>(Obviously some of these options would still require a move here, and the aspect of employment is another hurdle without residence as a student. Just saying that it’s no good to buy into their “disappointment” about what could have been; could have been is not “today.”)</p>

<p>That Business Week ranking is, approximately, nuts. Villanova over MIT? NYU Stern at #15? I wouldn’t show that to anybody. It’s self-impeaching.</p>

<p>As far as I can see, the situation is relatively simple.</p>

<p>If your parents really had their hearts set on Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, or maybe Chicago – or equivalent schools you didn’t apply to – and they are not willing to pay for less than that (in their eyes), then either you have to go back to Korea for college, or you have to try a very, very iffy gap-year-reapplication strategy.</p>

<p>If your parents really would have been satisfied with Emory, Berkeley, Michigan, Cornell, Carnegie-Mellon, etc., then any kind of rational analysis will tell them that either UVa or NYU is just fine.</p>

<p>In order to get out of the current crisis, how about proposing a compromise strategy? You deposit at NYU or UVa, whichever all of you prefer, but defer enrollment for a year. You plan a gap year in Korea, but not at university there. You reapply to schools your parents help choose, including Wharton and MIT, but also including some less crazily selective schools, like Michigan, Berkeley, Northwestern. Maybe you pursue less prestigious places that might give you merit scholarships (but more prestigious in their eyes than American U.) – that’s up to them. But if you aren’t successful in your reapplications, you will go to NYU/UVa the following year.</p>

<p>Some version of that ought to give them a chance to calm down.</p>

<p>JHS, </p>

<p>He can NOT do that. Seriously, it is NOT possible to put down a deposit for a college and defer a year and apply to other colleges during that year. It automatically voids the acceptance. How do they know? If you defer a year, you sign an agreement that you will enroll. You high school agrees that it will not send your transcript to any other colleges without notifying the school at which you have deferred. When that notice is received, the acceptance will be revoked. </p>

<p>If he went to a boarding shcool, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the boarding school will neglect to let the college know. If it does, it will hurt future applicants from that school.</p>

<p>One of my colleagues had a D who wanted to do this. She was rejected at Harvard and wait-listed at Princeton and Yale. She was accepted at another Ivy. She wanted to take a gap year–no matter what, for reasons unrelated to college. She wanted to defer her acceptance to the other Ivy and reapply to Y and P. College advisor at one of the top private schools in New York said absolutely NOT. We abide by the commitment we made ot notify the school if we send your transcript any place else. So, defer the year and go to the school that accepted you or reapply. You can NOT do both.</p>

<p>Now coming down to what to do next. I side with suggestions from #8 who is Asian and know Asian parents.</p>

<p>“gap year” is NOT a choice in Asian dictionary, it is almost like saying to their family and friends that my son drops out for a year. He is better off enroll at UVA for 2-years and approach the transfer route to other Ivies. Gap year is good idea with us in the US, but totally unacceptable with Far-east Asians.</p>

<p>Enrolling in community college and transfer is also not good, it is like declaring their son didn’t get admitted into any good school.</p>

<p>It actually may not be a bad idea to go back to Korean and study rigorously for 2 years at Korean University then do the transfer application to US in 2 years.</p>

<p>His other choice is to convince his parents that he has another chance with Ivies in grad schools.</p>

<p>The above are assuming his parents insist on the Ivies, I still believe the best course of action is for him to reason with his parents. I was surprised this kind of discussions were not taken place years ago. Although OP didn’t specify, I suspect his parents are college educated and reasonable folks they just need to be educated with the US higher education system and admission process.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>I know you weren’t too excited by UVa, but people choose the Echols Scholar program over Ivies all the time. It’s very prestigious and hard to get.</p>

<p>I had a feeling the OP was Asian before I even opened this thread. Asians are so results-oriented. There are very few people that are intellectually-passionately oriented (people in general, not just Asians but I guess you can say there are very few Asians that are intellectually-passionately oriented as well). I used to have a results-oriented mind set too and I started becoming less results-oriented around 2010. I wish I can totally get rid of my results-oriented mind set once and for all but doing this is harder than saying it. Honestly, I am envious of people that are intellectually-passionately oriented. If you think about it, essentially everyone who wins or places (or even be a finalist or semifinalist) at the science fair, Intel Science Talent Search, a math or science national or international science olympiad, Siemens Award for Advance Placement, becomes a RSI scholar, etc. are intellectually-passionately oriented. Them winning the money and medals and gaining admission to top universities is just the result of being intellectually-passionately oriented. </p>

<p>Gaining admission to a top college, doing well in college, and doing well in life is all about having an . :slight_smile: I wish I had an intellectually passionate mind set (not for gaining admission to a top graduate school, doing well in college, or doing well in life or anything), but I feel that developing an intellectually-passionate mind set would make me an overall happier person.</p>

<p>Right, gap year is an option only if it means increased chances for Ivy admission, which it probably doesn’t. The closest thing is applying to SKY (Seoul, Korea, Yonsei) as tega suggested, but their admission cycle starts in, what, November?</p>

<p>I will most certainly deposit at an American school, but I am trying to choose which school since there is a chance I will stay there the whole four years. My parents are not cooperating.</p>

<p>To the OP:</p>

<p>Go to any of the colleges you gained admission to that you can also afford. :)</p>

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That’s the problem - the student usually can’t afford much of anything unless they have a nearly full ride somewhere - it’s the parents who are paying and end up deciding what they’re willing and able to pay for or not.</p>

<p>If your parents don’t cooperate, you are unlikely to be able to go to a US college. Take a gap year, and look at the thread that momfromtexas started on full ride scholarships. Unless your parents agree to pay, you have few choices. It’s really up to them.</p>

<p>“I got into Georgia Tech, St Andrews, American (20k scholarship), UVA (Echols), NYU (Stern), Davidson, and Boston College. I’m waitlisted at UChicago.”</p>

<p>Too bad that your parents can’t appreciate all the good choices you have, despite multiple IVY rejections. Nonetheless I can’t feel too sorry for you as these are all great schools and you can’t go wrong with any of them.</p>

<p>Good luck dealing with your parents.</p>