My school only has 2 years of Spanish-- can I apply near top-tier?

Sorry. I should have thought more about the fact I don’t know who I am speaking to.

I’m a 17 year old girl. I didn’t think and was kind of lost in my own life.

Anyways no point in pretending that I don’t think the way I already showed myself to be thinking. In my context, my question could be “I think I may be able to attend Cal State, but I really, really don’t want to, and my school only has 2 years of spanish, can I compete for merit aid at CSS schools, which are already competitive?”

It’s basically the premise of my question.

@Marmozets @thumper: if qualified here are the Cal grant amounts for the CSU/UC and Private CA colleges. It is a fixed amount and will cover the majority of the CSU/UC tuition. The numbers are for 2020 so 2021 information may be different.

At a CSU (California State University)

Cal Grant A$5,742: This amount will be applied towards the systemwide tuition and fee cost of the school.

Cal Grant B (freshman year) - $1,656: You can use your $1,656 access award amount as a living allowance to help pay for books and other college costs. Students are encouraged to follow up with the financial aid office at their school to inquire about other grants they may qualify for that can help cover the base tuition cost, such as the State University Grant (SUG) Program.

Cal Grant B (any other year) - **$7,398:**This amount includes the access award amount (described above) and an additional amount to cover the systemwide tuition and fees. ($1,656+$5,742= $7,398)

Cal Grant C: Not an available award at this type of institution. The Cal Grant C award is only for students enrolled in occupational or technical programs.

At a UC (University of California)

Cal Grant A$12,570: This amount will be applied toward the systemwide tuition and fees of the school.

Cal Grant B (freshman year) - $1,656: You can use your $1,656 access award amount as a living allowance to help pay for books and other college costs. Students are encouraged to follow up with the financial aid office at their school to inquire about other grants they may qualify for that can help cover the base tuition cost, such as the Blue and Gold Opportunity Plan.

Cal Grant B (any other year) - $14,226: This amount includes the access award amount (described above) and an additional amount to cover the systemwide tuition/fees. ($1,656+$12,570= $14,226)

Cal Grant C: Not an available award at this type of institution. The Cal Grant C award is only for students enrolled in occupational or technical programs.

At a Private Non-Profit School

Cal Grant A$9,084: This amount will be applied toward the tuition and fees of the school.

Cal Grant B (freshman year) - $1,656: You can use your $1,656 access award amount as a living allowance to help pay for books and other college costs. Students are encouraged to follow up with the financial aid office at their school to inquire about other grants they may qualify for that can help cover the base tuition cost.

Cal Grant B (any other year) - $10,740: This amount includes the access amount (described above) and the additional amount provided for tuition and fees. ($1,656+$9,084= $10,740)

Cal Grant C$3,009: If you are attending a year-round private technical/vocational school ($2,462 + $547 = $3,009). The $2,462 is applied directly to your Tuition and Fees. The $547 is an amount designated for books and supplies.

Where did you hear that looking at online financial aid pages affects admissions??

I created a new thread about that since we’re drifting and I think it would be interesting for everyone.

The FAFSA changes re: benefiting those with more than one student in college at the same time are NOT happening in 2021-22, so your EFC sounds like it will be $16K. CSS Profile schools may or may not calculate a lower EFC…run the NPCs, as others have suggested, to get COA estimates. It seems likely that need-based only schools are going to be unaffordable for you, but run some NPCs to be sure.

https://fsapartners.ed.gov/knowledge-center/library/electronic-announcements/2021-06-11/beginning-phased-implementation-fafsa-simplification-act-ea-id-general-21-39

I echo the others who have said that your transcript will be evaluated relative to the offerings at your HS.

Your GC is correct. My two daughters both got into CSS schools with only two years of HS FL (one at Haverford ED, and the other at Denison…also accepted at UofRochester). The one at Haverford only had one AP (and it was online independent study AB Calc), the one going to Denison had no AP’s and no calc because their small public HS doesn’t offer AP’s nor calc (one was a class of 23, the other 17). Top tier schools want to see that you took the most rigorous courses offered. A significant portion of those top schools are need based aid only.

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It doesn’t help the matter much that my first year EFC will be the older formula, and then my cost will double for years 2-4. It’s worse almost in that I could be situated one place, find out my new costs after its too late to transfer, or at best spend my first semester applying to colleges again. I was aware that it will take a year to implement.

I’ll look up what NPC means, but for now the college board has said that it will continue to account for multiple kids in college, unless I’ve missed a more recent announcement.

We don’t know if that FAFSA change will ever happen, and if it does, we don’t know what year it will be implemented.

Collegeboard has nothing to do with each CSS Profile school’s decision as to whether they implement the change for multiple kids in college.

NPC stands for net price calculator, which gives a cost of attendance (COA) estimate. Each school must have one on their website (although some are less accurate than others, the more selective schools are generally accurate). For CSS Profile schools, their NPCs often are housed on CollegeBoard’s site, but again, CB has nothing to do with each school’s NPC calculation, and they do vary.

NPCs may not be accurate if your parents are divorced, own a business and/or own real estate beyond a primary home…are any of those the case for you?

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NPC is Net Price Calculator. Right now, these are likely getting ready to be updated for students starting in fall 2022.

If you get a significant merit award, it will not be affected by the changes in the FAFSA.

Did anyone suggest Utah? IIRC, if the costs are decent for OOS students…and if you stay there during the summers, you can establish instate status for tuition purposes. @twoinanddone do you know?

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NPC= Net price calculator

Below are some examples:

Here is the link for Cal Poly SLO: https://www.calpoly.edu/financial-aid/costs-and-affordability/undergraduate-costs-of-attendance/undergraduate-net-price-calculator

Here is a link for UCSD: Financial Aid Estimator

Here is a list of all the CSS Profile schools: CSS Profile Participating Institutions and Programs

(but not all CSS Profile schools meet full need)

yes thanks I’m going through the CSS schools, which as I said are mostly very competitive and prestigious places. A few exceptions found so far.

I’m going to bet heavily on the CSS schools despite the fact that I don’t think I’m a big fish in a small pond for any of them, practically, and not likely to be recruited with extra merit. The difference between CSS and FAFSA will be so huge that I can’t imagine that any FAFSA plus Merit will be better. But I will try a little with FAFSA state schools, maybe some non competitive ones.

If the NPC’s are on each college’s website, I’ll have to be sure to be undetectable before I try to use them.

The college board is about the worst data sharer and violation of underage student privacy rights on the planet, so I wouldn’t go using NPCs on their site either without protection.

I love Utah, and any other places with a significant dry population.

Don’t my parents have to have to move there too, or is that some kind of special residency rule in Utah?

In CA, that won’t work without the parents moving here.

new FAFSA will take effect the year after next, except for some past history and selective service stuff which I think takes effect sooner.

The CSS is run by the college board, so their formula is where the colleges will start. Of course any college can do anything with either FAFSA or CSS. There’s no point in second guessing that unless it’s to interview admissions officers at each school and trust that they are telling the truth.

Better to bet on the CSS

CSU’s and UC’s are need blind so your financial information will not be taken into consideration for admissions.

I saw the article you linked in regards to schools tracking financial information, but they still cannot act upon the information you input into the NPC. They will go by your CSS and/or FASFA information once you apply.

I would not let that article keep you from running the NPC’s.

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Where are you getting this information. Even wealthy people who don’t need aid run the net price calculators

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That is NOT true uniformly. The colleges each have their own net price calculators. Some use the College board one….others don’t. If you want the best estimate, use the college’s own NPC.

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I haven’t really read all of the details in this thread because there have been some tangents.

  1. Where are you getting all of these strange ideas about the California universities? Are you making these up???
  2. You are panicking, needlessly, about everything. Get a grip and read what these posters, with years of experience, are telling you. Stop listening to your rumor mill.
  3. The people, on this web page, are some of the most schooled and experienced advisors in the college admissions realm. Let them give you their benefit of their wisdom.

READ:
I am experienced with Calgrants because I was a recipient of them many years ago, and have worked with the Calgrant personnel because I had several former HS students who received them for their California schools. Not much has changed about how they grant awards. The only significant changes are the amounts.

As a mother, California resident, and SDSU alumna, all three of my children were admitted to the UC’s and to the ivies. My son was top 5, in his class of 1000 students and no-one knew who would be valedictorian until graduation day-missed it by a percentage point. My middle daughter just graduated from UCSF, a medical/professional school where there are ONLY professional level students (Med, Dental, Pharma) and one of the best medical schools in the country. My husband is also an alumnus of UC and Stanford in engineering. Our eldest went OOS and graduated in EECS.

I have two neighbors in admissions-One is at the UC and one is at a large, private catholic university. I speak to them frequently, because I see them frequently.

DOLLARS: Firstly: Get thee to an NPC-(Net price calculator).
These are pretty accurate unless your family owns a business, (or a divorced couple). It will give you ballpark numbers and then you can return and let us know where you stand financially. This should be done with a parent.

TRACKING FINANCIAL INFO :laughing: Our eldest is an EECS (Electrical engineer/Computer Software specialist working in cyber security) and, not even she, has mentioned that colleges can now track who looks at a public web page -unless you are talking about imaginary tv shows.

NEED BLIND=
When the ADMISSIONS COMMITTEE reviews your application, they don’t have, nor do they consider, how much you can pay. They don’t look at finances, at all, and are “BLIND” to your “NEED”. If they want to admit you, they don’t care if you have the money or not, to attend, they admit you if they want you.

The FINANCIAL AID DEPARTMENT is usually in another office and receives the financial documents. They prepare the packages for every student based on the requests for FINANCIAL AID. They usually don’t find out which students have been admitted until later in the year, so their information comes separately.

MEDICAL SCHOOL ADMISSIONS: One of my best friends in undergrad, attended a Cal State-SDSU, used their medical school advising, got into med school and became a physician and teaching professor.

There are well over 3700 colleges and universities. A large majority of these charge $$$$ application fees. Since your family is on a budget, this makes absolutely no sense, whatsoever.

FINANCIAL AID:
You need to look at the financial aid pages and see what scholarships are available for your situation. Making a ridiculous list of schools, hoping that one provides you with a full ride, is really pointless because you may end up hating the location, size, weather, and temperament of the school. It does affect your mood, study time, and med school EC’s.

UNIVERSITY GRANTS: Some of the Cal States, as well as the UC’s do have “university grants”. These are derived, sometimes, from alumni and private donations’ funds. If the university really wants you and knows your financial situation, they will make it worth your while to attend by providing those funds.

GET OFF THE RUMOR MILL AND QUIT MAKING UP stuff. It is not beneficial to anyone. You are in a weird panic mode and this does not bode well for your admissions essays when they ask: “why us?”

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What’s the point of all this bragging? Your conclusion is basically, it’s ok to attend SDSU as long as you marry a Stanford engineer. Sure, good advice.

Your post oozes judgement and harshness to a teenager struggling with her situation. I’ve said it before, this is why teenagers do not in general come on c/c, they just don’t feel welcome.

EECS - seriously? How is that relevant at all to the OP, again unless it’s that she can also raise a kid that got into an EECS program.

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