<p>Or it is less conspicuous. I live in a suburban town where there are quite a few same-sex couples who own split-level houses, carpool their kids to soccer games, and go to church on Sunday. No one would confuse this area with the Village, and yet people of different orientations live here, just as one would expect. There was a thread recently on gay life at Princeton; students will find it far more helpful and revealing than your "research."</p>
<p>aParent,</p>
<p>It's amazing how defensive people get when they don't like what they hear! Look, I'm not saying Princeton is Brigham Young or the military, but you have to know intellectually and logically that if a gay person were choosing between Harvard and Princeton and one of his/her criteria were a large and varied gay community, Harvard would be a better bet. The simple fact that there are gay people at Princeton doesn't make it necessarily the best environment for gay people.</p>
<p>Princeton also had that graduate student who poured semen into the drinks of 50 Asian girls just this past month. </p>
<p>While they certainly seem to engender some types of alternative lifestyles, being gay is certainly not one of them.</p>
<p>Yeah, and it's not safe to walk around Harvard, Yale, or Columbia campuses based on the crime statistics either. You don't see us posting blathering nonsense on their boards, do you? No. Why? Fill in the blank.</p>
<p>Bottom line: No one cares what sort of "research" you did. No one is actually stupid enough to judge an entire school based on the actions of one person (and if they are, they aren't Princeton material in the first place). Princeton-bashing on the Princeton board is simply all around NOT COOL and only goes to prove what sort of inferiority complexes are abuzz in the world.</p>
<p>To Ulysses: If you were honestly trying to prove a valid point and not just stir up trouble and or awkwardly recruit people to HY, you wouldn't have used such an inflamatory thread title. You also wouldn't be so fracking defensive and trying to impress us with your "knowledge" and "statistical research". So gay people at Princeton don't use facebook. Big deal. Maybe the majority of them have their profiles set to private so that people can't randomly search them and draw false conclusions from utterly non-scientific methods. Ever think of that? Or are your methods much too persuasive?</p>
<p>Bottom line: Knock it off, all of you (myself included).</p>
<p>Sigh. I'll stop but this is not about Princeton bashing, just to let you know. This is about giving some interesting evidence that points to a problem that is being addressed at Princeton and needs to be addressed at other universities. Being gay in America is tough, and I suspect from these extraordinarily defensive attitudes that it might just be tougher than I thought.</p>
<p>Get off of your pedestal, Ulysses. Im gay, and out of all the schools you mentioned, Princeton was my first choice. Princeton might not boast hordes of gays, but the community that is there is healthy, friendly, and not overbearing, unlike those of the other schools you mentioned. Your numbers mean very little; as long as the campus is friendly and there is a gay presence, thats all that matters. Princetons campus seems very welcoming. As a previous poster mentioned, Shirley Tilghman judged a LGBT transgendered pageant at the freshmen admit weekend. I dont think youd see Harvard or Yales presidents judging transgendered pageants any time soon. Also, a gay black male is Junior class president. Under its new administration, Princeton is undoubtedly one of the most progressive schools you mentioned. Clearly theres plenty of tolerance on campus. Academics/environment are much more important factors in picking a school than sexuality. If a student were unintelligent enough to base his decision off of your poorly-thought-out study, or sheer numbers, hed deserve to lose the opportunity to go to Princeton.</p>
<p>Ulysses, you present some very interesting numbers. Thank you for sharing your info : ).</p>
<p>However, I'm not sure exactly what you can infer from this. Assuming your method + analysis is valid, even if there is a smaller gay community at Princeton, how, specifically does it indicate that gays should not go to Princeton? </p>
<p>The only gay (or lesbian of course sorry for leaving that out) that should avoid Princeton is the one who is looking for a larger gay community. Your statement that "gays should avoid Princeton" suggest that all gays, because they are gay, should avoid Princeton. That is incorrect, since you are equating 'small community' with 'discriminatory community', and not reflecting particularly well on Princeton in the process.</p>
<p>Ulysses,
Please don't assume that because someone disagrees with you, they are being "defensive." Maybe they just disagree. I am not sure what "the best environment" for gay people is. You seem to have made an assumption about that, based perhaps on your own wishes or lifestyle. Some gay people want to stick to a gay community. Others like to be themselves and be part of the overall social picture, and will consider "the best environment" one in which they feel comfortable and accepted doing that. To each his or her own.</p>
<p>Ulysses: I, though not gay, respect your post and encourage you not to be discouraged by your critics. Princeton may have a smaller gay population, I have heard that before, but your "study" is probably more useless then your realize. There are way too many factors playing a role, and influencing people with your results may be misleading. I dont think your findings can give you ground to say "gays should avoid Princeton". When you overstep conclusions, expect reasonable backlash.</p>
<p>Prettyfish: Believe it or not, YOU're doing more to troll people out of Princeton than Ulysses is. Though possibly flawed, Ulysses' study is trying to help people, and I believe him when he says he has nothing against the school. On this site the Princeton people have a reputation for not being babies, and your freaking out at him isn't helping that image at all.</p>
<p>And to the rest of you: Who cares? Columbia's better anyway! (oh, snap!)</p>
<p>Princeton provides a very accomodating atmosphere for gay students. In addition to what princetonguy said, LGBT is incredibly well funded, complete with a university funded counselor. While your facebook study comes out with some interesting numbers, they really don't provide one with an accurate representation of the gay community at Princeton which is healthy, vibrant and active.</p>
<p>You should normalize your numbers by the number of people from each University who have facebook rather than the number of people in the university. If that's what you did do, ignore this.</p>
<p>Yeah, how many straight people were there for each college on facebook?</p>
<p>Gays should avoid Princeton I'm guessing because there aren't as many options. The same reason that I, as a straight girl, would hate going to a school with a 7:2 Female:Male ratio.</p>
<p>yep fids. that said, many straight girls might like a school like that. </p>
<p>again, I guess I'm saying that "gays should avoid Princeton" is really a gross/inaccurate/insensitive generalization.</p>
<p>Ulysses' study itself however is not offensive or anything.</p>
<p>Sure, it's inaccurate because the study was very unscientific and I suppose his wording choice was a bit tasteless, but I think he received more slack for this thread than was deserved.</p>
<p>How did you collect data from various schools? Doesn't it only let you view profiles if you have an email address from the school?
Just wondering,
Melissa</p>
<p>Ulysses , i'm a Cornell EDer and have no business here...but couldn't help but notice this thread...</p>
<p>My Q: ur posts have certain gay tendancies, r u gay?</p>
<p>The distance is startling. Lets even the gap, don't scare folks away from Princeton.</p>
<p>yeah, Ulysses, r u gay?</p>
<p>To be fair, I think there genuinely are a lot more openly gay people at Harvard than Princeton. I know there's a huge active gay culture at Harvard. I do think that should be a consideration in school choice, but only a lesser consideration. There's no reason for gays to outright avoid Princeton by any means.</p>
<p>23-BC (openly discriminates against homosexuals)
What's BC?</p>