@merc81 - that is the point i am making. reed imparts an amazing education and has comparable SAT/GPA stats to many so called “elite” colleges - ivies etc. i personally hold reed in very very high regard (top 25 in the country in my combined list which would include state universities, ivies, private universities and LACs) having researched a bunch of all. Being “elite” though is a label others impart to colleges, not me. And they go by acceptance rates, yields, research papers published (its almost 100% an undergraduate school) and I am not sure what else.