Narrowing Down Choices without Visiting?

<p>Two mid-size schools you might want to consider that are in larger urban areas are Rice (Houston) and Vanderbilt (Nashville). Rice is less expensive to start with than its peers, and Vanderbilt has very good need-based financial aid in which loans have been replaced with grants. Both offer some merit award possibilities but you will have to bring up the ACT score*. Neither are small schools where everyone will know everyone, but both have a good reputation for focus on undergraduate education, while also presenting opportunities for research. I know Vanderbilt has an active study abroad program, and I suspect Rice does as well.</p>

<p>*Even with a better ACT score, the awards at Vanderbilt are highly competitive, and that is probably true at Rice. However, I know students at Vanderbilt who have phenomenal f.a. packages that end up covering as much as the biggest merit awards. If your EFC really is as low as you think, you should give them a look.</p>

<p>What else do you want in a school…???</p>

<p>big
small
quiet
rah rah big sports to watch
honors college on campus?
greek systems as an option
Catholic schools ok?
single sex
co-ed 50/50 split
rural setting
big city setting
collegetown setting
nice dorms
recreation availability
warm weather
cold/snowy weather
regional preference
is regional preference a requirement?</p>

<p>Yes, Vandy is also a good choice for a reach school…they meet 100% need without loans (at least for now… :slight_smile: )</p>

<p>The closest tier 1 liberal arts college to you is Whitman College in Walla Walla, WA. It is an 8 hour drive from Helena, and will save you $ in flights that really add up over 4 years. Whitman is excellent for the sciences and offers merit aid, which with your stats you will probably get. Should be on your short list.</p>

<p>Good liberal arts colleges that are a little farther away than Whitman, but still in the West/Midwest, include Colorado College, Grinnell, Macalester, and Carleton. I agree with kolijma that Whitman seems like an especially good choice, but check out the others too.</p>

<p>Definitely don’t skimp on reach schools and you can wait until you get accepted to visit. If you could visit one small LAC (like Whitman) to see how you feel about the small size, that would help you to decide how you might feel about Carlton, Grinnell etc. Harvey Mudd? But on the slightly bigger, what about U. Chicago, U. Rochester, Hopkins and Brandeis?</p>

<p>Besides the University of Chicago, other top Midwestern universities include Northwestern, Washington University - St. Louis, and Notre Dame. Good public universities in the West/Midwest include the University of Wisconsin and the University of Washington. None of these is the kind of place where “everybody knows everybody”.</p>

<p>Western/Midwestern schools that offer Early Action admissions include the University of Chicago, Colorado College, and St. Olaf College (Minnesota). EA can give your admissions chances a boost. In addition, it gives you more time to decide among the schools that already have admitted you.</p>

<p>tk’s EA suggestion is a good one. You’ll find out mid December if you’re in, instead of late March, so you might have more time to visit those schools.</p>

<p>Actually, St. Olaf no longer offers EA (only ED), but otherwise might be a good choice for the OP, based on the OP’s criteria. I do like the idea of applying somewhere EA to get a sense of where the OP stands.</p>

<p>A word of caution to the OP…</p>

<p>Do not apply ED to any school unless it’s a school that promises to meet 100% of need without loans (or maybe very small loans - like $2k per year). By applying to a school that meets need without full Staffords, you will allow yourself the opportunity to take a Stafford for any expenses not covered by grants…such as a Study Abroad or something like that. Apply to EA schools if you’d like.</p>

<p>But also apply to financial safety school with assured merit. Do NOT wait to apply to safeties until after you find out about ED/EA decisions. Many schools that give the best merit have early deadlines for scholarship consideration. Many kids unhappily found that out last Dec/Jan when their ED/EA choices didn’t work out, and they were scrambling to find some financial safeties whose $$ deadlines hadn’t passed.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the suggestions.
In terms of what I want in a college, an honors college is desirable, but some smaller schools do not offer it, and that’s okay. I would prefer somewhere that is in or near a big cities; big city = >100,000; but not a requirement as long as there plenty to do. Also, somewhere with some outdoor recreation opportunities would be nice. I really don’t have any regional preferences, mostly because I have never traveled out of the northwest, and am looking forward to trying something new. </p>

<p>I have visited Reed college and Lewis and Clark college in Portland. I loved the size of the college, but both seem to be lacking any form of diversity on any level. Almost all students were very progressive, and the students I met who were not, said that they just avoid confrontation and go with the flow. But in terms of size and the resources and facilities available on campus, Reed seemed to be that perfect balance. The only reason I am not considering Reed is because of the lack of diversity and lack of athletics. Portland is amazing. Big city feel but plenty of parks and outdoor recreation nearby.
Hope this helps.
Thanks</p>

<p>What kind of diversity are you looking for? Reed isn’t the MOST diverse school in the country, but I can think of many others that are less diverse. That said, it has a heavy deemphasis of athletics. Consider Macalester, one of a very few small liberal arts colleges LACs) in a major city; it is about the same political spectrum as Reed, which can be good or bad.</p>

<p>It sounds like the OP is looking for political diversity, which is hard to find at LACs. The OP might want to check out the book “Choosing the Right College” published by ISI.</p>

<p>Colgate is small I think and conservative. Rhodes and Rollins are pretty moderate I believe.</p>

<p>OP, I see the CR part of the SAT is the area that can yield the highest increase in score. A lot of people struggle with the long reading passages, which can be tricky and difficult to time-manage. I wish I had a link to this advice I copy/pasted from this website, but I’ve lost the link. Here is a post that will help you with the long reading passages:</p>

<p>How to Attack the SAT Critical Reading Section Effectively </p>

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<p>I’m not allowed to post links, but if you want to see a better formatted version that’s easier on the eyes you should just google “How to Attack the SAT Critical Reading Section Effectively”. Keep in mind that I can edit/update the eHow but I can’t edit this CC page after a while. My approach is somewhat more conceptual and I hope this method helps you. Please make any suggestions as you see fit - they’re very helpful. Sorry but I like to write in huge paragraphs. Here we go:</p>

<p>Do you want to learn the most infallible and least error-prone method of attacking the SAT Critical Reading Section? Learn from someone who knows. I was accepted into Harvard with a 2400 (that sounds pretentious but you should know where I’m coming from). I first have to tell you that achieving a great score on SAT CR is not easy and there’s no single silver bullet. As with everything, this method requires repeated practice and experimentation before results can show. Please read on as I share with you my successful method of tackling CR.</p>

<p>Let’s start with the approach. You have probably encountered people in your daily life who snidely demean the SAT or at least the experience of taking the SAT. However, you must approach this important experience with a fundamentally different mindset. Okay, perhaps the SAT is a test full of tricks - a test purely to be gamed. If so however, learning to work within a system is a very valuable skill to have in life. Furthermore, I believe that the fundamental basis of the SAT is not its tricks, but its call for a rapid comprehension of certain situations, a supple maneuverability, and a positive approach to the material. After all, a multiple-choice test with any semblance of difficulty can be said to contain tricks. How good is your knowledge if you can’t manipulate it to a small challenge? Don’t demean your opponent - that’s a recipe for disaster. The last quality, a positive approach to the material, is the most important and the one you can control the easiest. However, it does not come naturally (as can be seen with scores of grumbling teens) and takes reinforcing.</p>

<p>A second word about approach: You didn’t pay CollegeBoard 45 bucks so that you could be nice. When you’re faced with five choices on a question, you’ve got to be ruthless. Stop internally justifying why one answer could be right, and instead make the shift to asking yourself why that answer could be wrong - play Devil’s Advocate, as cliched as that may sound. I can’t tell you enough how much this shift in thinking has helped me when I have been stuck between two seemingly correct choices. Despite appearances, all choices ARE different and one is certainly the best, or else CollegeBoard would be losing thousands of dollars to successful lawsuits. Keep this in mind. You have got to find the right answer and I will show you how.</p>

<p>. It is my intention to focus mostly on the long reading passages in this How-To, since that is where the majority of the CR questions lie and since these questions give many test-takers a higher level of grief. For the short passages, it’s all about absorbing the small paragraphs as efficiently as you can before going on to answer the questions. They’re considerably easier if you keep your mind, and obsessing about the short passages (going back to double or triple check) are a huge time drain. Most of the time, it’s a quick fact check paired with a tone question. If you practice a lot on long passages, short passages will be an easy relief for you.</p>

<p>Step 1. Now, onto the long passages. I had loads of trouble with these before I found this method. I am going to give you my step-by-step method of attacking them, which I have found extremely effective, albeit somewhat more time-consuming. Before anything, you MUST read the short blurb before the passage. It gives you a sense (though always limited) not only of what the passage is going to be about, but also of the position and possible tone of the author. You will then be able to perhaps place yourself into the author’s shoes. This is a good point right now to tell you that you MUST love the passage you are reading. Force yourself to love it - throw yourself into the passage with gusto. It works. Though it’s quite ludicrous to be super-enthusiastic about a boy and his alfafa patch, with your enthusiasm comes retention, heightened focus, and an oddly vicarious interest in the passage. My general mental approach was a huge contributing factor in my getting an 800 in CR and a 2400 on the SAT.</p>

<p>Step 2. After you have read that thrilling blurb, don’t start reading the passage yet. Quickly jump to the questions, and as fast as you can, skim every question for line number references (don’t read the choices or the full question yet). On some passages almost every single question has a line reference - on most others it’s about over half. Very rarely will you see a passage with question without any line references (perhaps only rarely on a six question passage). Anyway, once you see a line reference (In lines 23-25 of the passage, the author is saying that…), you should bracket not the lines, but the sentence contained within the lines. This mark-up will allow you to focus in on that sentence once you begin to read the passage. Based on the question, you want to make a small annotation. For this question: (In lines 23-25 of the passage, the author is saying that…), you might make the annotation MEANING next to your marked-up sentence. Other annotations might include: SAYS THIS BECAUSE, REFERS TO, HOW SIMILAR TO PASSAGE 1, BACKS UP WHAT BEFORE (think crude caveman notations - they’re more efficient). Go through all of the questions. Perhaps some of the references will not have any line numbers. If you see (In the last paragraph…), just put brackets around the last paragraph along with an annotation. If you see a general question referring to the passage as a whole, on the question circle the number of the question with a large circle. This means it’s a general question and must be answered AFTER all the specific questions. I find this is always a very comfortable way of attacking the questions based on how CollegeBoard writes these questions.</p>

<p>Step 3. Once you have marked up all the line references as fast as humanly possible, then the real art begins. You must read the passage. There is no way around reading every single word. But HOW you read it is the true art. Read the unmarked sections quickly yet efficiently, absorbing it briefly but not truly pausing to analyze. ONCE you hit a marked section, slow down and absorb it. If you feel that it would not disrupt your flow to answer the corresponding question, do so. If not, keep going a little more. A vast majority of the line reference questions (even complex ones such as inferences) can be answered after reading from the beginning to the point of reference. In a few instances, it may help to read past the point of reference, but NEVER read the whole passage through without pausing to answer questions. Your retention will be terrible and it’s much better to handle the passage in small, manageable chunks. Also, when you answer a question, just circle in the answer in the test booklet. DO NOT BUBBLE IN THE ANSWERS UNTIL YOU FINISH THE ENTIRE PAGE, SOMETIMES EVEN THE PASSAGE. This is a huge time saver and it prevents you from making bubbling mistakes. The time saved is not necessarily the time difference in bubbling, but the time saved because it prevented you from breaking your focus. This is very important in CR. Don’t break focus. If you’re very low on time however, you can bubble as you go.</p>

<p>Step 4. Once you have tackled all the line and paragraph references ruthlessly, you should have already finished reading the entire passage and because you had focused in on the passage in numerous instances, you should also be well-equipped to answer your circled general questions. I always find it’s easier to answer these general question at this point, seeing as how you hit up the passage numerous times already along the way. Remember to never choose an answer unless you can truly back it up with evidence from the passage. Even “inferences” do not stray far from the text. If they did, then the “best answer” would be up in the air. Do not be misled by the word “inference” - it’s a misnomer. A large number of these can actually be pulled straight from the passage. It’s all about the passage - not what you think or have learned thus far in school. Being one with a text and not extracting too much from it is a valuable skill to learn. Don’t put words into the author’s mouth. Another very helpful thing to remember when viewing the choices is that extreme choices (including the words ALWAYS, NEVER, or BEST) are rarely ever correct because they fall under the hard-to-prove category of generalization within inductive reasoning. Though you’ve heard this tip many times and it sounds obvious, it is so helpful (yet easy to forget) and you often find yourself internally justifying these kinds of generalizing answers. Just say no (in a ruthless yet eternally positive way).</p>

<p>Step 5. My method of tackling long passages is somewhat time-consuming, but time is something that can be reduced through assiduous practice. This method is so effective in getting the right answer, and I fully vouch for it from personal experience. What I also did during practice was that I gave myself twenty minutes instead of twenty-five in the standard CR sections, and I rapidly tried to utilize my developed method. It was extremely difficult to meet the twenty-minute deadline at first but I got better and better at it through practice. While time can be addressed easily through practice, a fundamentally bad approach to the passages cannot. You should try out this method if you are having trouble with CR passages - be open. This method was THE contributing factor for my rise from a 500 to an 800 in CR. Thanks, and tell your friends about this article. My CC is Noitaraperp. Good luck!</p>

<p>If you’re looking for a politically conservative school, Choosing the Right College will be a great guide. It actually can be useful to liberal students as well, if you can stop yourself from falling over in laughter when the political agenda becomes a bit too transparent–for example, it covers general education requirements quite comprehensively, useful information that otherwise must be dug out of the catalog.</p>

<p>Moderate schools are the most likely to provide political diversity. Rhodes and Hendrix are two that come immediately to mind–the former being traditionally conservative but liberalizing, the latter a blue dot in a very conservative state (so the students are comparatively liberal but far from Reed/Mac/Oberlin-liberal).</p>

<p>because of the lack of diversity</p>

<p>Whenever I see this I have to ask…what kind of diversity are you looking for. Usually when someone says this it means that they want their ethnic/religious/political group well-represented on campus. </p>

<p>So, which group(s) are you wanting to see well-represented? Don’t say “all”, because there probably “ain’t such animal,” that perfectly “looks like America.”</p>

<p>For the record, here is Reed’s racial diversity:</p>

<p>55% white non-Hispanic
26% non-white or Hispanic
19% unknown (as in declined to state)</p>

<p>Reed requires six quarters of P.E. and fields seven intercollegiate sports teams in competition with regional schools.</p>

<p>OP, you just described Creighton. </p>

<p>Good Luck!!!</p>

<p>*
Reed requires six quarters of P.E.*</p>

<p>Wow! That’s a lot. Isn’t that unusual? I’ve heard of one semester…or 2 quarters…</p>

<p>Apply to U Miami. Great merit awards and a great university.</p>