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I just think these lists are the equivalent of spam on CC, maybe just because they are so hard to read. That's just my personal takethey wouldn't bother me so much if they were in an easier-to-read format.
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<p>i see... it's the formatting that's the problem (not the content)... not "visually pleasing" i guess... i mean who cares about content as long as its packaged well huh? isn't that pretty shallow? oh wait, let me try that again:</p>
<p>isn't that pretty SHALLOW ? i think i've stepped in puddles that were deeper.</p>
<p>as for your comments about "spam"... i guess you must get some pretty helpful spam... either that or your unapologetic "apology" only serves to add insult to injury... FYI, collegehelp's posts are very well received by most people here.</p>
<p>collegehelp, I'm not saying it's possible that it's wrong. It IS wrong. There are absolutely no way these numbers are correct because your methodology is way off. I gave you specific reasons why they're wrong. I really thing you should either fix it or retract the post because it's ALL WRONG.</p>
<p>Ok, I just read your second post. That's fantastic. You're still wrong. You need to divide the amount of aid by the total number of students. Your current numbers represent the average price for the students who receive aid. They don't take into account the students who don't receive aid. So this is NOT the overall average price.</p>
<p>I'm not sure what the point of the data is: I didn't do any in depth analysis, but noticed that many of the smaller endowment schools near the top of the list have a very small number of students receiving Pell grants. In other words, the list may be identifying both schools with high endowments that support generous financial aid, along with schools where affluent students tend to be admitted.</p>
<p>adf8, i don't know if its supposed to represent the average price (obviously CIT doesnt pay very many students to go there) but instead a basis for comparing cost and quality (hence taking SAT scores into consideration). one could argue that the average SAT score doesnt represent quality well, but that's debatable. </p>
<p>thanks, college help, you obviously spent a lot of time making this very useful list! :)</p>
<p>Here is the percent of students at each school receiving each type of grant aid</p>
<p>The following list is sorted by the type of school: Publics, Private Universities, Private LACs. Then sorted by net cost withing type of school.</p>
<p>school, fulltime undergrad enrollment, percent receiving any type of aid, % receiving federal grant, ave fed grant, % receiving state grant, ave state grant, % receiving institution grant, ave institution grant, total grant, total cost, net cost</p>
<p>Publics
CLEMSON UNIVERSITY 13066 88 13 3356 65 5219 35 4180 12755 21696 8941
SUNY AT BINGHAMTON 10779 80 22 3412 53 2399 7 3826 9637 19726 10089
UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA 22616 91 13 2838 84 4563 11 3196 10597 21594 10997
THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE 18054 65 19 2958 15 1463 29 4497 8918 19926 11008
THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN 33888 65 19 3197 42 3338 43 3016 9551 20619 11068
AUBURN UNIVERSITY MAIN CAMPUS 17418 55 11 3346 14 1797 34 4222 9365 20734 11369
RUTGERS UNIVERSITY-NEW BRUNSWICK 24416 69 26 3034 43 4840 32 3855 11729 23956 12227
UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA 30983 98 19 3198 92 2871 24 3522 9591 21867 12276
UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE 15615 78 13 2754 16 3346 52 4711 10811 23098 12287
VIRGINIA POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE AND STATE UNIV 20739 70 11 3029 18 3363 27 1884 8276 20869 12593
GEORGIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY-MAIN CAMPUS 10725 83 13 2462 62 4707 27 4201 11370 24084 12714
UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA-MAIN CAMPUS 13378 50 8 3063 9 4658 21 7781 15502 28850 13348
TEXAS A & M UNIVERSITY 32377 78 19 3426 33 2065 25 1715 7206 20582 13376
UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-TWIN CITIES 26479 74 21 4564 25 2669 27 5272 12505 26117 13612
UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI-COLUMBIA 19533 79 15 3127 19 2264 50 3537 8928 22767 13839
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY 20004 88 24 2865 12 1092 67 3665 7622 21608 13986
PURDUE UNIVERSITY-MAIN CAMPUS 29500 61 18 3916 17 3191 38 3810 10917 25522 14605
MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY 31698 93 18 3135 76 2318 29 3535 8988 23606 14618
UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH-MAIN CAMPUS 15080 76 24 3005 30 2752 26 6467 12224 27290 15066
UNIVERSITY OF IOWA 17879 79 15 2711 10 1132 41 2920 6763 21930 15167
INDIANA UNIVERSITY-BLOOMINGTON 27743 79 16 2834 31 3254 48 3766 9854 25156 15302
UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT 14843 79 13 3105 40 2785 47 5038 10928 26726 15798
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON-SEATTLE CAMPUS 23521 62 20 3459 23 3995 31 2497 9951 26070 16119
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN-MADISON 26619 62 12 3508 36 2389 25 3055 8952 25177 16225
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND-COLLEGE PARK 22933 72 13 3252 25 2872 44 4212 10336 26701 16365
PENNSYLVANIA STATE UNIVERSITY-MAIN CAMPUS 33376 76 16 3618 21 2850 31 4546 11014 27524 16510
OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY-MAIN CAMPUS 33584 87 20 2844 16 1780 77 3907 8531 25473 16942
UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AT URBANA-CHAMPAIGN 28686 74 18 2725 48 3577 28 2207 8509 27712 19203
UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO AT BOULDER 24165 48 11 3830 22 2840 19 2856 9526 29107 19581
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-IRVINE 19144 70 27 3238 45 3041 48 5209 11488 32619 21131
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN-ANN ARBOR 23773 82 14 3972 55 1570 39 6077 11619 33387 21768
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SAN DIEGO 19384 72 30 3064 53 3127 48 4208 10399 32803 22404
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-RIVERSIDE 14014 75 38 3532 45 2929 56 4424 10885 33440 22555
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-BERKELEY 21771 72 30 3175 48 3220 53 5950 12345 35316 22971
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SANTA BARBARA 17529 66 24 3024 44 3054 44 4988 11066 34209 23143
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-LOS ANGELES 24005 72 33 3379 54 3111 54 5054 11544 34729 23185
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-SANTA CRUZ 12983 59 22 2976 33 2979 40 5170 11125 34926 23801
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA-DAVIS 20891 73 24 3196 44 2911 58 3678 9785 34747 24962
COLLEGE OF WILLIAM AND MARY 5563 45 7 3611 14 4187 15 6521 14319 27968 13649
MIAMI UNIVERSITY-OXFORD 14727 64 8 3288 7 1612 30 4108 9008 26652 17644
NEW COLLEGE OF FLORIDA 692 98 20 2505 68 3521 90 3932 9958 24466 14508
ST MARY'S COLLEGE OF MARYLAND 1830 72 47 3000 50 2700 30 3500 9200 24497 15297
VIRGINIA MILITARY INSTITUTE 1362 45 10 2787 12 3836 33 6979 13602 32464 18862</p>
<p>Private Universities
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 896 69 15 5477 9 9708 64 19014 34199 33579 -620
BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY 24968 53 11 2490 7 1392 36 2430 6312 8850 2538
STANFORD UNIVERSITY 6506 76 14 5584 7 9708 49 17160 32452 39606 7154
YALE UNIVERSITY 5243 70 7 6810 3 3449 43 20896 31155 38850 7695
UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME 8309 76 16 8259 44 3889 54 16817 28965 36930 7965
DUKE UNIVERSITY 6252 63 11 6047 14 2788 42 21428 30263 39240 8977
PRINCETON UNIVERSITY 4678 52 8 5465 5 1824 52 21303 28592 38297 9705
YESHIVA UNIVERSITY 2734 59 12 3677 15 2500 43 13647 19824 29960 10136
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 15776 80 16 4570 13 9543 66 14558 28671 39510 10839
COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK 6275 59 15 4879 11 3461 45 21232 29572 40538 10966
HARVARD UNIVERSITY 6954 84 24 4158 4 2809 49 21702 28669 39880 11211
RICE UNIVERSITY 2905 85 13 2427 23 3084 71 10870 16381 28099 11718
VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY 6202 62 15 4264 2 4262 54 19057 27583 39726 12143
UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO 4513 73 13 5593 7 4532 63 17583 27708 40352 12644
SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY-MAIN CAMPUS 6021 88 15 5039 27 1924 84 11873 18836 31518 12682
NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY 7909 64 8 5824 15 2435 46 18434 26693 39415 12722
MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 4078 83 24 5571 5 2049 60 20803 28423 41340 12917
MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY 7392 88 15 5255 22 2433 84 8512 16200 29200 13000
EMORY UNIVERSITY 6253 61 12 5041 23 3874 47 16349 25264 38972 13708
UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI 9339 87 23 2532 48 5089 74 14995 22616 36442 13826
BROWN UNIVERSITY 5708 60 12 4367 5 1119 42 20280 25766 39808 14042
TULANE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA 6151 75 9 4575 12 2790 64 17735 25100 39382 14282
RENSSELAER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE 4895 94 23 6132 41 1854 86 16439 24425 38869 14444
TUFTS UNIVERSITY 4849 50 12 4799 8 2383 40 18429 25611 40171 14560
UNIVERSITY OF DENVER 4206 80 14 3474 8 3565 77 13312 20351 34973 14622
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA 10047 57 12 5236 5 2661 46 17017 24914 39634 14720
JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY 4946 52 15 5213 7 2661 44 16996 24870 39656 14786
BOSTON COLLEGE 9353 56 13 3483 5 2557 46 18159 24199 39016 14817
CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY 5258 68 12 5673 7 2790 64 15462 23925 39280 15355
WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY IN ST LOUIS 6029 61 9 3849 10 2510 53 18223 24582 40186 15604
BRANDEIS UNIVERSITY 3166 72 14 4860 8 2841 67 16162 23863 39728 15865
BOSTON UNIVERSITY 16386 69 13 4457 7 2127 62 17411 23995 40082 16087
CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY 3252 65 41 2332 43 1830 64 14301 18463 34564 16101
LEHIGH UNIVERSITY 4525 62 9 2290 9 2834 53 16046 21170 37570 16400
CORNELL UNIVERSITY-ENDOWED COLLEGES 13597 66 15 4994 16 2625 47 15934 23553 40100 16547
AMERICAN UNIVERSITY 5504 81 11 3614 4 859 61 15566 20039 36715 16676
SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY 11448 80 18 3981 36 3071 70 13302 20354 37032 16678
FORDHAM UNIVERSITY 6725 80 23 3651 30 3386 71 12959 19996 37582 17586
GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY 6314 54 13 4812 2 662 43 17457 22931 40717 17786
UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER 4348 95 19 4096 27 2585 93 13299 19980 38827 18847
SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY 5881 79 15 2262 19 3531 74 7040 12833 34210 21377
NEW YORK UNIVERSITY 18525 74 17 5008 18 3612 63 9536 18156 41614 23458
GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY 9797 62 9 4163 0 Blank 57 15463 19626 44240 24614
PEPPERDINE UNIVERSITY 2651 77 18 5560 9 9053 70 15453 30066 37360 7294
DARTMOUTH COLLEGE 4027 61 17 5260 2 716 45 21541 27517 39465 11948
BAYLOR UNIVERSITY 11162 83 22 3090 28 4266 75 6357 13713 25948 12235
CLARK UNIVERSITY 2040 83 23 4329 25 2047 77 14454 20830 33665 12835
WAKE FOREST UNIVERSITY 3992 70 10 4410 28 2707 48 15386 22503 36310 13807
WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE 2764 89 14 5380 44 3825 84 15541 24746 40180 15434
STEVENS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY 1730 95 22 3819 29 4145 94 13868 21832 39855 18023</p>
<p>Private LACs
POMONA COLLEGE 1540 52 10 6298 7 8357 50 20125 34780 38750 3970
THOMAS AQUINAS COLLEGE 331 71 24 2532 24 5978 44 8377 16887 23200 6313
UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND 3090 68 8 5436 14 2216 49 17387 25039 31910 6871
WASHINGTON AND LEE UNIVERSITY 1759 58 3 3264 14 2249 34 19987 25500 32550 7050
CLAREMONT MCKENNA COLLEGE 1124 50 8 4458 6 9548 50 17855 31861 38990 7129
SCRIPPS COLLEGE 817 55 12 4589 7 8693 46 17101 30383 38000 7617
FURMAN UNIVERSITY 2703 88 9 3547 28 7807 80 11599 22953 30968 8015
HANOVER COLLEGE 1052 78 22 2553 29 4926 78 11238 18717 26800 8083
PRESBYTERIAN COLLEGE 1143 99 16 2740 59 6710 96 10812 20262 28430 8168
HENDRIX COLLEGE 1021 98 22 3210 22 3440 96 7837 14487 22690 8203
COLORADO COLLEGE 1994 56 14 3686 1 4169 44 19735 27590 35860 8270
PITZER COLLEGE 878 45 13 5241 12 7198 42 18351 30790 39660 8870
WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 2766 49 13 5361 23 4236 46 21542 31139 40124 8985
COLGATE UNIVERSITY 2796 39 9 4032 22 3520 39 22227 29779 39060 9281
WELLS COLLEGE 384 94 34 3142 41 2373 91 7038 12553 21900 9347
WOFFORD COLLEGE 1164 95 18 3149 67 6796 77 9307 19252 28740 9488
AGNES SCOTT COLLEGE 912 97 31 3428 48 3741 96 13407 20576 30410 9834
WILLAMETTE UNIVERSITY 1854 91 15 5897 4 3626 88 14061 23584 33652 10068
WABASH COLLEGE 847 96 26 2514 30 4704 94 11867 19085 29329 10244
WILLIAMS COLLEGE 1953 46 10 5208 6 1633 44 20906 27747 38100 10353
SEWANEE: THE UNIVERSITY OF THE SOUTH 1363 63 13 3655 4 4954 61 13731 22340 32700 10360
AUSTIN COLLEGE 1279 96 22 3562 38 3409 91 8525 15496 26229 10733
OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE 1841 72 20 4713 18 8561 68 14085 27359 38135 10776
REED COLLEGE 1276 51 16 4006 2 2539 49 21548 28093 38970 10877
EARLHAM COLLEGE 1170 93 21 4417 19 4547 87 11941 20905 31782 10877
WELLESLEY COLLEGE 2181 56 17 4513 5 2233 53 21354 28100 38998 10898
RHODES COLLEGE 1589 80 13 3456 3 4974 77 11558 19988 30912 10924
DAVIDSON COLLEGE 1714 60 7 4423 17 3010 54 16459 23892 34903 11011
ALBION COLLEGE 1852 99 18 3417 85 2328 98 12510 18255 29454 11199
MILLSAPS COLLEGE 1053 97 25 3675 44 1321 95 10479 15475 26724 11249
SWARTHMORE COLLEGE 1466 51 10 3527 27 2741 51 21690 27958 39408 11450
KNOX COLLEGE 1178 96 20 3748 25 3728 96 12276 19752 31338 11586
LAFAYETTE COLLEGE 2245 66 10 4598 9 2936 54 18288 25822 37411 11589
COLLEGE OF SAINT BENEDICT 1973 94 20 4726 34 3456 94 8404 16586 28356 11770
GRINNELL COLLEGE 1529 93 14 3596 39 2953 90 13925 20474 32690 12216
SAINT JOHNS UNIVERSITY 1865 93 20 4435 30 3286 93 8289 16010 28265 12255
BARNARD COLLEGE 2235 55 18 4089 17 4153 38 18597 26839 39140 12301
DEPAUW UNIVERSITY 2359 58 13 3458 14 4236 58 12772 20466 32800 12334
ALLEGHENY COLLEGE 1911 96 20 3734 49 3551 96 12022 19307 31710 12403
WHEATON COLLEGE 2348 73 19 4078 16 2094 64 7834 14006 26466 12460
CENTRE COLLEGE 1064 97 14 3010 60 3700 92 10020 16730 29230 12500
BELOIT COLLEGE 1301 91 15 3181 12 2035 85 13680 18896 31432 12536
BIRMINGHAM SOUTHERN COLLEGE 1335 99 13 3972 67 263 98 10427 14662 27343 12681
AUGUSTANA COLLEGE 2266 99 15 3164 40 3600 99 8710 15474 28173 12699
BRYN MAWR COLLEGE 1296 58 18 3632 7 2210 57 19749 25591 38330 12739
BUCKNELL UNIVERSITY 3420 58 10 3805 12 3145 52 17536 24486 37308 12822
MILLS COLLEGE 728 97 33 3773 34 8936 97 11181 23890 36835 12945
SOUTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY 1252 91 16 3511 34 3593 83 7654 14758 27730 12972
BOWDOIN COLLEGE 1668 44 11 5033 7 753 44 20921 26707 39680 12973
AMHERST COLLEGE 1640 74 17 3340 4 1406 48 21740 26486 39524 13038
HAMILTON COLLEGE 1766 68 12 4466 16 2525 53 19478 26469 39525 13056
COLLEGE OF THE HOLY CROSS 2718 57 10 5475 8 3327 50 16670 25472 38546 13074
SAINT OLAF COLLEGE 2973 89 17 4083 20 3407 85 10282 17772 30950 13178
HOPE COLLEGE 3004 81 15 2971 57 2518 76 8002 13491 26738 13247
JUNIATA COLLEGE 1379 100 24 3195 40 3073 98 11528 17796 31090 13294
HAVERFORD COLLEGE 1172 52 11 3631 6 2431 36 20333 26395 39690 13295
OHIO WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 1909 99 19 5428 51 1511 96 14305 21244 34560 13316
MACALESTER COLLEGE 1847 85 13 3455 8 2791 76 14484 20730 34156 13426
GETTYSBURG COLLEGE 2436 76 10 4398 24 3100 70 16405 23903 37344 13441
TRINITY COLLEGE 1977 37 7 3980 9 3257 33 19455 26692 40200 13508
LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY 1324 95 20 3357 24 2431 90 13100 18888 32418 13530
COLLEGE OF WOOSTER 1777 97 13 4427 57 1285 92 13683 19395 33200 13805
KALAMAZOO COLLEGE 1234 98 11 4495 64 2162 98 10425 17082 30960 13878
GUSTAVUS ADOLPHUS COLLEGE 2542 98 18 2854 30 3425 98 8524 14803 28765 13962
SWEET BRIAR COLLEGE 682 90 18 3790 44 2265 90 9542 15597 29600 14003
ST LAWRENCE UNIVERSITY 2104 82 21 4533 37 2292 78 17264 24089 38235 14146
SMITH COLLEGE 2655 72 19 2660 11 2001 61 20022 24683 38886 14203
OBERLIN COLLEGE 2741 56 13 3946 1 1701 54 18816 24463 38810 14347
BARD COLLEGE 1685 48 15 3522 11 3304 44 18269 25095 39456 14361
DICKINSON COLLEGE 2290 65 11 3546 11 2869 57 17026 23441 37900 14459
MUHLENBERG COLLEGE 2242 72 4 5079 6 2926 67 11308 19313 33825 14512
PRINCIPIA COLLEGE 533 67 0 Blank 0 Blank 67 11727 11727 26286 14559
VASSAR COLLEGE 2414 57 10 4165 13 1917 47 17956 24038 39030 14992
GOUCHER COLLEGE 1322 87 12 4194 10 3004 81 12462 19660 34695 15035
FRANKLIN AND MARSHALL COLLEGE 1933 70 8 4438 9 3096 61 15363 22897 37980 15083
URSINUS COLLEGE 1484 95 20 4120 30 2954 95 14744 21818 36930 15112
RANDOLPH-MACON COLLEGE 1102 95 14 3009 63 2175 83 8791 13975 29135 15160
HOLLINS UNIVERSITY 784 97 42 3448 55 2145 97 8586 14179 29375 15196
DREW UNIVERSITY 1569 83 12 4218 17 4684 79 13459 22361 37564 15203
CARLETON COLLEGE 1937 76 15 3326 8 2488 64 15908 21722 36975 15253
ILLINOIS WESLEYAN UNIVERSITY 2109 92 11 3568 37 3134 92 9966 16668 32270 15602
HOBART WILLIAM SMITH COLLEGES 1832 77 16 4637 31 2781 72 15864 23282 39075 15793
SKIDMORE COLLEGE 2387 38 10 4188 12 2647 36 16754 23589 39818 16229
MOUNT HOLYOKE COLLEGE 2082 73 10 4080 7 2168 67 17367 23615 39998 16383
SPELMAN COLLEGE 2082 81 51 2500 25 2000 6 2000 6500 22950 16450
HARVEY MUDD COLLEGE 720 84 12 4691 18 5890 65 12937 23518 40082 16564
DENISON UNIVERSITY 2204 98 16 3113 42 1574 98 13048 17735 35080 17345
WHITMAN COLLEGE 1445 87 9 3000 16 2033 78 11546 16579 34286 17707
SARAH LAWRENCE COLLEGE 1198 65 11 4705 9 2148 46 19072 25925 43678 17753
BENNINGTON COLLEGE 616 74 18 4723 12 1100 69 14955 20778 38780 18002
UNIVERSITY OF PUGET SOUND 2564 86 19 3347 9 2466 80 9848 15661 33900 18239
WHEATON COLLEGE 1521 66 16 4920 15 1660 60 13236 19816 38160 18344
KENYON COLLEGE 1611 65 5 2270 30 1169 64 13846 17285 37440 20155
UNION COLLEGE 498 93 55 3333 61 3507 79 3785 10625 18150 7525</p>