<p>Number of questions for 2015</p>
<p>CR - 48 (1 wrong 79)
WR - 39 (2 wrong 74)
MA - 38 (3 wrong was 71)</p>
<p>This is one profile I saw. Only if more put down what they got we can get other numbers.</p>
<p>Edit - Never mind, looks like pamom has more info.</p>
<p>I thought Saturday was an exception day. What percentage tests on Saturdays?</p>
<p>Let’s use those same numbers for 2012, for what that’s worth…</p>
<p>Math 4, CR 3, W 4
Wednesday M 68, CR 73, W 68, total 209 (-1)
Saturday M 69, CR 73, W 66, total 208 (same)</p>
<p>Math 5, CR 1, W 5
Wednesday M 67, CR 80, W 66, total 213 (+1)
Saturday M 67, CR 80, W 64, total 211 (same)</p>
<p>These charts are online. I think I only have 2013 and 2012, but let me see if I can find them to link.</p>
<p>Ok. But they don’t represent 2015 right? I feel 2015 would be worse for writing if 2 wrongs is 74.</p>
<p>2013 can be found here, page 5:
<a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/understanding-psat-nmsqt-scores.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/understanding-psat-nmsqt-scores.pdf</a></p>
<p>It gives you something to use for googling other years. I have hard copies for a few years, probably just the years my kids have taken them.</p>
<p>That chart is excellent. I was thinking it was not out yet. They call the test 2013 but the year 2015. It is an odd nomenclature.</p>
<p>When I say 2013, I mean testing year 2013. That data will be summarized in a document titled “Understanding 2013 PSAT/NMSQT Scores”. This is the most recent test, and the test that counts for the class of 2015.</p>
<p>Part of understanding and processing all this data is to figure out what year you are talking about. It doesn’t help that College Board changed the way they presented the norms two years ago. By this I mean that the percentile tables from at least 2003 (report year, which affects the graduating class of 2005) through 2011 (class of 2013) used a sample of the actual data from the testing class of juniors.</p>
<p>For some reason, starting in 2012 (last year), they decided to use previous year data in its entirety. This disconnect makes it very hard to follow data over the years, as well as hurts those of us trying to make predictions, because the percentile information we have now (in the 2013 report) affects the previous class (2014), not our current juniors (class of 2015).</p>
<p>Clear as mud?</p>
<p>The scoring info is very useful. However, the percentile info is virtually useless, based on my post above, 
.</p>
<p>The year stuff will drive you nuts. I spent much of Christmas break getting that straight on my own charts and tables.</p>
<p>Oh, just now saw your Wednesday/Saturday test thought. Good question! I’d like to know too. Locally, I can say that our neighboring district offers the test on Wednesday, during the school day. This is NOT an option for the school my children attend. My kids must test on Saturday, when we offer the test.</p>
<p>Not sure if there are trends for that, or if it’s just on a case-by-case basis. I would guess that more average kids test on Wednesday, just because it’s worked into their regular school day. It takes more effort and initiative (or parental prodding) to test on the Saturday date. I’m not sure about the neighboring school, but for us, it’s a choice to take the PSAT, and we don’t even come close to testing the full population.</p>
<p>They all need to be 99 percentile to make the cut. So percentile is irrelevant.</p>
<p>I always wondered whether 2 wrongs gets you an extra negative point or not. It looks like they don’t but 3 gets you one more unless it is Math and you got all one of them as a grid in.</p>
<p>Percentile is very important in regard to what cut score it corresponds to. For example, we have no idea yet where the 99th percentile falls for the class of 2015, because that data hasn’t been published. The data we now have (from the above link) is data from the junior class that graduates in 2014. It would be extremely helpful to know if similar scores are coming back at higher or lower percentiles for the most recent test.</p>
<p>From the SAT scoring (and I’d assume it’s the same for the PSAT), you round UP. So if your negative points lands you at 48.25, you get a 48. But a 48.5 would round up to 49. Can’t remember where I read that though.</p>
<p>P.S. Percentile data is one of the things I’ve started tracking. If my data collection is good, here is an example of what I’m talking about. The following lists both the 99th and the start of the 99th+ percentiles for previous years. (Year here meaning the graduating class the data affects.)</p>
<p>Year/99th/99th+/commended cut
2005/214/224/202
2006/213/223/202
2007/215/225/203
2008/212/223/200
2009/212/222/200
2010/212/223/201
2011/212/222/201
2012/214/224/202
2013/211/222/200
2014/215/225/203
2015 not yet released</p>
<p>And this is national data, so it doesn’t help all that much for individual state cuts, but it can help speculate. Let me add commended cuts, as those are based nationally. But see how the higher percentile cuts from 2014 correspond to a higher commended level? It sure would be nice to have current percentile data!!!</p>
<p>I can add a 2015 data point, though it’s pretty embarrassing, the CR part anyway.</p>
<p>S took Weds test, though not to gain edge, didn’t know of that. In our area almost all test on Sat, but we found a school that offers Weds test so S could work his weekend job.</p>
<p>60 CR (10 errors, 2 omissions)
76 M (2 errors)
78 W (1 error)</p>
<p>It’s only a minor “edge”, and maybe not even . CR might actually come out ahead on Saturday. This is just my opinion based on very limited data, mostly in the tails for math and writing, where my son’s minor errors hit us hardest. Again, the powers that be seem to think they’ve corrected for actual test differences in their scoring.</p>
<p>Celeste, your son has a scoring profile similar to my son’s. He typically does quite well in math and (non) writing, but the CR for some reason has been a very slow climb over the years. I don’t think he puts his full effort into those reading passages.</p>
<p>What State are you Celeste? I am a bit surprised about the CR WR disparity.</p>
<p>WI.</p>
<p>My D13 was similar, though she later studied hard for SAT (no prep at all for PSAT, took it cold, but made NMF by a hair, as it seems S will do) and was able to get CR of 720, a big accomplishment for her. If only she would’ve spent time on vocab lists, but just couldn’t bring herself to do it. Only missed the hard 3D geometry problem in math. Always on practice tests it was the same one missed, so no surprise. And the W was worse for her initially, but she easily studied up to perfect. W just is intrinsically easier to master with a bit of prep. And CR is incredibly hard unless you continue to spend a lot of time reading for fun in the years after middle school, when that tapered off for my kids. </p>
<p>I have hope it’s a maturity thing and they will improve with age. I never heard of PSAT as a kid, but my SAT CR/M was very like my kids’ profile, even with all the reading I did, and H’s would have been if he had been in US to take it. </p>
<p>There are several kids at S’s HS who scored above 230. The teachers are doing a fine job teaching.</p>
<p>My son has a W/CR discrepancy. First and foremost, he’s a math kid. Actually, before that, he’s really into programming. He was an early reader, not because he’s so extremely verbal (as I initially perhaps thought), but because he “broke the code”. Math was his strength from elementary on. Grammar is all part of that code. He’s well above average verbally, but not really NMS level on that alone. Fortunately his math and writing allow him to reach a total score that’s in the ballpark.</p>
<p>His actual writing score can only go down on the real SAT, when he actually has to write, LOL! I would LOVE to see CR go higher for his actual SAT, but he needs work there. FWIW, our school is far from a great school, and we have very, very few National Merit Scholars, if any, in any given year.</p>
<p>Here is another 2015 data point. hope it’s helpful.
We are in NY. My son scored a 233:
73 CR (3 errors, no omissions)
80 M (0, 0)
80 W (0,0)</p>
<p>Aren’t there FOUR psat test dates? Two Saturdays and two Wednesdays???</p>
<p>As far as I know, it’s just those two dates.</p>