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And who are you to decide whether Brown is deserving of its praise?</p>
<p>And like so many threads, this degenerates into a spitting contest between advocates for different schools!</p>
<p>^lol I actually don’t have anything against Brown…I was just using Brown as an example of a school that does relative well in USNews rankings but falters in world rankings.
But schools such as harvard, jhu and columbia, etc hold their ground and dont really budge as much.
Correct me if im wrong, but doesnt this reflect and/or influence the international prestige of a school. I heard many people say that JHU, for example, is internationally recognized and maybe even more appreciated by those outside of the US.
I’ve traveled a lot and most people talk about Harvard, Stanford and JHU…</p>
<p>JHU Medicine is famous around the world. Many people overseas may not even realize that there is more to JHU than its medical school.</p>
<p>The world rankings (Times Higher Education et. al) completely ignore undergraduate education, or at least undergraduate education that dioes not occur within the context of a large research university. They do not include any American liberal arts colleges, many of which (let’s just start with Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore) provide a far superior undergraduate education than some of the universities on the list (U Delaware, U Hawaii, Arizona State, etc). In some countries, which use the international rankings in their immigration policies (i.e. you are considered “highly skilled” only if you’re a graduate of the top-100, 150, etc. universities) a General Studies major from Arizona State would rank higher than a Engineering major from Swarthmore.</p>
<p>^universities and liberal art colleges are rarely ranked together.</p>
<p>^^Okay forget college names, I was just trying to use examples–im not trying to attack brown or promote jhu. But can someone accurately say that world rankings reflect the prestige of a school internationally?</p>
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I don’t necessarily love big public universities. There are a handful though that offer breadth and depth of academic programs, top faculty, and research that only few privates can even provide.</p>
<p>"Most people would argue especially for standardized test scores that those who go into top schools are already good at standardized testing- which is true anyways</p>
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<li>Job satisfaction?</li>
<li>Salary- If a school sends more people to nonprofit and teaching jobs (like brown) while another sends more into finance (dartmouth and duke) which one is better?</li>
<li>Patent? Not everyone in a school is a major in science or engineering you know. You know how hard it is to develop a patent in hard science???"</li>
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<p>Sure standardized test scores without other measures and comparison are worthless you are right on the money there, but if you take them in and compare what percentile your student body is at just prior to graduation and compare that with the average percentile on the SATs/ACTs of your incoming class you can see if they learned more or less than their peers. </p>
<p>Job Satisfaction is, imho, as important as salary for determining how successful your schools career services office is and in turn it often is telling of how badly companies want grads from certain schools.</p>
<p>Salary if looked at as the only measure is worth very little, but if it is weighted as part of a schools score helps give a more comprehensive veiw of what life may look like after attending that institution.</p>
<p>You will notice that I put patents in with literary works as I consider getting published on equal footing with getting a patent.</p>
<p>Another stat worth looking at may be % of grads working in a job related to their degree somewhere between 2-5 years out.</p>
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<p>BY which people exactly? The world is full of ignorant people you know- be more specific</p>
<p>Hopkins as someone previously is well known by “most people” for Medicine. However its no more better regarded outside the US. Its more of Dartmouth that suffers the lack of name recognition. Hopkins high ranking is because frankly its a better research institution than Brown, more international and has a bigger graduate student body as well of cause arguably the best medical school in the world.</p>
<p>Oh wow ARWU puts UCLA ahead of UPenn, Duke, and Brown.</p>
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Sure I’ll correct you since you’re wrong. Most world rankings place significant emphasis on research output/contribution and so schools with renowned grad programs will undoubtedly do much better. World rankings are in no way indicative of “international prestige”. </p>
<p>And please try and promote JHU a little less blatantly. </p>
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No. Do you see perceived prestige as the primary criterion for the ranking?</p>
<p>If you’re going to stay in the US, I’d think the US rankings are more important.</p>
<p>“^universities and liberal art colleges are rarely ranked together.”</p>
<p>imho, the more useful rankings, for purposes of choosing an undergrad institution, do rank them together. Lots of kids will apply to both universities and LACs - they should be able to compare them on the same page. Some reputable ranking do that:</p>
<p>Forbes (where 13 or the top 25 schools are LACs)
[America’s</a> Best Colleges - Forbes.com](<a href=“Forbes List Directory”>Forbes List Directory)</p>
<p>and the Wall Street Journal “Top Feeder Schools” list (9 of top 25 are LACs)
<a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights;