<p>I'm from CT, and choosing between ND and NU - saw ND, will be seeing NU and ND again next week. I'll most likely be an econ/math/commerce/business major, and both seem to be really great schools in all categories. Anyone struggle/struggling with a similar decision? If so, what did/will you do?</p>
<p>I would go with ND. I just looked on buisness week and ND is ranked #2 in the nation for buisness schools and i did not even find NU on the list. I am not too familiar with NU, but if ND is the second best in the country, then academics wise it beats NU and the campus and enviornment of ND beats any college in the country. </p>
<p>wise choice to visit both - i will also be in ND next week (thursday - sunday)</p>
<p>i WAS struggling with the same decision, but i pretty much ruled out northwestern because it doesnt have undergraduate business. while it does have undergrad business minor, it doesnt have the full on major. and i dont want to major in economics, and i couldnt find any other majors that interested me, so therefore it pretty much took itself off my list</p>
<p>I too am struggling with this same decision, except for political science.</p>
<p>Get serious. Undergraduate business rankings, are you kidding me? In my opinion, there shouldn’t even be such a thing as an undergraduate business program (and most “good” schools do not have them…yes, I’m looking at you Wharton).</p>
<p>There is no material difference in terms of quality of education or job prospects between studying econ/math/business at UND or NU. They are also similar schools in terms of types of students and atmosphere, although one is closer to a real city and one is closer to being a cult, I mean, religious school.</p>
<p>If you were focused on econ and deciding between UChicago and UND, that would be one thing. But business et al at UND or NU? Toss up. What place makes you feel fuzzy inside?</p>
<p>well, everyone has to start somewhere with some degree and the fact that NU does not even have real undergrad degree and ND has the second best in the country, it is not just a toss up. </p>
<p>also, NU is a great school, but nothing matches the environment and campus of ND.</p>
<p>Harvard doesn’t have an undergrad business “ranking”. Does that make it bad for undergrad?
NU is probably better for business with its econ undergrad program.</p>
<p>well harvard is harvard and NU is not…there is a huge difference</p>
<p>The schools that have a liberal arts, unranked econ program, i.e. the ivies, are extremely well known on wall street, and very good for business-related job placement. Schools that mimic this liberal arts econ education, such as NU and UChicago, are also very well respected in this sense.
Don’t base all your assumptions off of rankings.</p>
<p>Thanks, everyone. I’m told that econ/math majors get the same interviews/jobs as the business/commerce majors, so that’s why I listed the four together - I’m more of a numbers guy, so most likely would major in econ/math, and at NU I could get a Certificate in Finance from Kellogg - I think I’ll know better after I visit them both next week</p>
<p>Northwestern has a top-10 econ department and a top-5 industrial engineering & management sciences (you can take financial engineering there). There’s a 4-yr dual-major program for these two majors. </p>
<p>Even NU doesn’t offer undergrad biz degree, there are many business/finance-related courses and certificate programs available:
[Medill</a> - IMC Undergraduate Certificate<a href=“the%20grad%20program%20is%20by%20far%20the%20best%20in%20the%20nation”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“Harvey Kapnick Center for Business Institutions - Northwestern University”>Harvey Kapnick Center for Business Institutions - Northwestern University]Harvey</a> Kapnick Business Institutions Program – Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences, Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.medill.northwestern.edu/imc/undergraduatecertificate.aspx]Medill”>http://www.medill.northwestern.edu/imc/undergraduatecertificate.aspx)
[Northwestern</a> University - Industrial Engineering and Management Sciences](<a href=“http://www.iems.northwestern.edu/]Northwestern”>http://www.iems.northwestern.edu/)
[Kellogg</a> School Certificate Program for Undergraduates - Kellogg School of Management - Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/certificate/]Kellogg”>Certificate Program for Undergraduates)
[url=<a href=“http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu/]MMSS”>http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu/]MMSS</a>, Weinberg College of Arts & Sciences, Northwestern University<a href=“if%20you%20are%20good%20at%20numbers;%20this%20well-respected%20and%20one%20of%20a%20kind%20program%20may%20be%20perfect%20for%20you;%20if%20interested,%20try%20to%20contact%20the%20program%20director%20ASAP%20to%20see%20if%20they%20can%20let%20you%20in”>/url</a>
[url=<a href=“http://www.sesp.northwestern.edu/ugrad/academics/conc/loc/curriculum/]Undergraduate”>http://www.sesp.northwestern.edu/ugrad/academics/conc/loc/curriculum/]Undergraduate</a> :: Curriculum<a href=“learning%20and%20organizational%20change”>/url</a></p>
<p>just make sure you visit each</p>
<p>“well, everyone has to start somewhere with some degree and the fact that NU does not even have real undergrad degree and ND has the second best in the country, it is not just a toss up.”</p>
<p>You miss the point, sir. It is a toss up in the sense that obtaining an undergraduate business degree is likely not this person’s ultimate goal–his goal is to work in business/finance/econ, etc. If you are arguing that majoring in business at ND as an undergrad will better prepare him for this goal, or that it will help him gain a position in this field, you are mistaken. Period.</p>
<p>Having an undergrad econ degree form NU (and taking classes at Kellogg, to boot) will not hinder this person from his goal vis-a-vis going to ND. In fact, now that I think about it more, you’re right. It is not a toss up. Going to NU would be HANDS DOWN better than ND with respect to achieving this person’s stated goals.</p>
<h2>When I was at UChicago (which boasts the world’s most prestigious econ department), I took graduate level classes in both econ and finance at what was then the GSB (now Booth School of Business). I even took a class with third year law students at the Law School (some of my peers did a dual BA/MA in econ in four years–try competing with a person with an MA in Econ from UChicago when you have an undergrad business degree from ND). Also, being in the city, I was able to find internships during the school year at what was then PaineWebber Corporate Cash Management and at Goldman Sachs. These sorts of opportunities are simply not available while stuck at the Golden Dome. </h2>
<p>“also, NU is a great school, but nothing matches the environment and campus of ND.”</p>
<p>This is obviously a matter of opinion. In fact, I have spent several afternoons at ND attending football games and I find the environment very stifling and boarding school-like. </p>
<p>Even the campus, which most feel is very beautiful, I thought looked like my elementary school–cheap yellow brick buildings, a big gaudy church with a gold dome on it. I much prefer the limestone collegiate Gothic look of Oxford or Cambridge or UChicago. </p>
<p>But more importantly, ND treats these young adults like its an extension of high school (almost identical to the experience I had in boarding school–no girls in your room, no drinking, etc.). They also teach TO them like high school students, instead of collaborating with them like university students (this is a longer, more exhaustive argument than I care to get into for this topic). Which is why most ND grads I’ve met are socially immature–they’ve never lived like an adult, paying bills, deciding for themselves when drinking and/or visiting with the opposite sex is right for them.</p>
<p>maverick,
Just FYI – the Golden Dome sits atop the Main Administration building, not the Basilica (the “big gaudy church”), which is next door.
If you’re going to consistently trash the school, at least get the facts right.</p>
<p>And then, having traversed the groves of academe with such enviable success, our protagonist maverick elevated obnoxiousness to a form of art.</p>
<p>i will acknowledge that i was not aware of the whole business/econ career paths. i plan on majoring in architecture and was just going on rankings. </p>
<p>about their campus, i am sorry that you did not like it, but maybe you should take the trash-talking to another forum (this is the ND forum), and i doubt you will too find many people with your opinions on this forum. </p>
<p>ND by no means is a party school, but it is not a bunch of people who are afraid of alcohol or of the opposite sex.</p>
<p>It pains me somewhat that my architectural sympathies parallel maverick’s. Chicago’s campus is my favorite; the blocking of the Midway facade of the old library (for example) can only be called magnificent, and the spatial interrelationship of buildings and quadrangles is superb. It makes Harvard Yard look like a random stylistic collection. While Notre Dame isn’t on the same level architecturally, it’s nonetheless beautiful. The approach to it is inspired, and the quadrangle system, though not as Oxfordish as Chicago’s, is far less claustrophobic, and moving through it can be…moving. Some of the buildings may be turkeys, but Chicago has those too. The lakes, with the paths around them, are truly an asset, and the whole place is meticulously maintained. Most importantly, there IS an aura that’s indescribable (as auras of course are). By the way, the “cheap brick” was made from marl from the campus’s own lakes. It is extremely rare to find a campus that grew out of its own soil, and the “organic” effect of this is admirably unifying.</p>
<p>maverick…once again. get off nd forum. your negatively bias opinion is not valued here. and while you believe that it is rediculous that any school should have an undergraduate business program, i feel safe saying the vast majority of business people would disagree with you. that is a rediculous statement, and i think i’ll listen to the majority over you. it’s clear you do not like ND (or UND as you keep saying–yet another clue to your bias) and are perhaps an anti-Catholic, maybe even anti-Christian. go somewhere else</p>
<p>Actually, his inflammatory comments make me lean more toward Notre Dame. Clearly, he harbors a lot of irrational hostility toward Notre Dame for some inexplicable reason. I’m thinking he didn’t get admitted. The adults on this forum who actually attended Notre Dame seem to rationally recognize both the positive aspects of Notre Dame and its shortcomings as well.</p>
<p>“But more importantly, ND treats these young adults like its an extension of high school…no drinking…”</p>
<p>Huh? Granted, things might have changed a bit (though from what I’ve heard they haven’t changed too much) since my brother went there from 96-01, but they are generally pretty lax on drinking in the dorms…As long as there are no drinking games/hard liquor, drinking is pretty kosher.</p>