Need Help! Composition Interview in MSM

<p>Hello everyone!</p>

<p>Dose Anyone know the composition interview in Manhattan School of Music?
I have been invited to composition interview for BM Classical Composition in MSM. I am wondering the difficulty level for the freshman exam. What are they looking for your theory level as a freshman. Also I heard check the study guide on its website. It says there will be an overnight composition.For Performed by instrument is encouraged. MIDI version will be OK as well. It means I have to perform my overnight composition or make a MIDI recording for it?</p>

<p>But My composition process is by hand or by software. Instrument is really not my strong point. Also I am an international student. I am not living in New York. I think it's very hard for me to make a MIDI recording for my overnight composition during these two days when I just finish the exam and waiting for interview. So what can I do?</p>

<p>The assignment, as far as I know, is to write a piece overnight to certain specifications. This will be much more important than the exam which would only be for music theory placement, if admitted. You will need to write the piece either by hand, or on the computer - in which case a Midi version should be no problem. If written by hand, it sounds like they’re encouraging you to perform the piece for them, but that is only ‘encourage’ not required. There are others on this board whose sons or daughters applied to MSM in composition who can tell you more than I.</p>

<p>The interview, your portfolio, and the overnight composition are going to be the most important elements for admission.</p>

<p>That sounds quite hard and stressful. Good luck! Do your best! :D</p>

<p>and like SpiritManager said, those tests are usually just for placement only. So I wouldn’t worry about them as a first priority. It’ll just let you skip some classes depending on how much theory you know, but that’s not nearly as important as making it in!</p>

<p>Thank you very much, SpiritManger and YoshiKirshima! I still have some questions about the overnight composition. I mean if I compose a piece which is not for my instrument(like a trio, etc), it means I have to make a MIDI recording for this? I really doubt if I have enough time to make a MIDI recording which has a good quality. If I just bring the score will be OK?</p>

<p>JazzUp - send a private message to Compmom with your questions. Her daughter was admitted to MSM for composition.</p>

<p>As for making a Midi recording - don’t you use Finale or Sibelius? I don’t understand why it would take long to make a recording. However, I’m sure the panel reviewing your music will be able to evaluate it simply from the score.</p>

<p>Thanks! I’ll send a message to Compmom. For MIDI recording, I mean I am really not satisfied with the MIDI quality of Finale or Sibelius. Especially the Brass part. I prefer using software like SONAR or Cubase and some virtual instrument can make a much better recording.(However, really take lots of times) But never mind, just my weird habit :)</p>

<p>Jazz Up, first of all, congratulations on making it through the prescreening. Second, although the MSM audition procedure may seem scary, it was, in fact, the most enjoyable, even “fun” audition that my daughter had for composition.</p>

<p>Here is the info from the website: [Manhattan</a> School of Music > Instruction & Faculty > Audition > Composition](<a href=“http://www.msmnyc.edu/Instruction-Faculty/Audition/Composition]Manhattan”>http://www.msmnyc.edu/Instruction-Faculty/Audition/Composition)</p>

<p>The theory exam is, as Spirit Manager said, a placement exam. I imagine it helps the school figure out how many students will be at what level, and how to organize faculty for classes. Many naturally talented composers have not yet studied theory in depth (and I would go further and say that some talented composers have a lot of trouble with theory;for instance, having perfect pitch can actually make theory/dictation harder). Main message, review what you know, and then…don’t worry at all about it!</p>

<p>The overnight composition is (or was, a few years ago) focused on the technique of certain composers. I think there was a choice of 2 or 3 composers. The elements of those composers’ technical style are listed very explicitly, and you are asked to incorporate them in your composition. It is a short composition, maybe 3-5 minutes-?</p>

<p>They do not ask that you bring a recording of this overnight assignment. They want you to bring a paper copy of your score. My daughter’s was handwritten. She brought her favorite Magna Carta manuscript pad (horizontal). But it could also be on Finale etc. I think that the panel of faculty each gets a copy and you have your own. The office may make copies for you. You talk to the panel about your composition and why you did what you did. It is not stressful. The faculty are nice, and interested, and do not grill you or try to break you down or anything.</p>

<p>The important thing, which you may be misunderstanding, is to bring your prescreening scores with you. The faculty will not have those with them. In fact, to be safe, wherever you go to audition, bring copies of all of your submitted scores and CD’s. Make enough copies in advance for the panel, or ask admissions if the office there will make copies for you.</p>

<p>As for performing your piece, don’t worry about that at all. The faculty are perfectly capable of reading a score without a performance. My daughter did not perform at all (she is a classical guitarist, with some years of clarinet experience) and still got a nice merit scholarship.</p>

<p>If you have questions, call admissions. They are very nice and helpful. Things have changed since my daughter applied, because all submissions are now electronic and she wrote some of her pieces by hand. I’m sure they would be flexible about this, but a few years back this possibility was on the site! However, this issue does not really affect the audition. You can use manuscript paper or a laptop for composing overnight, I would think. It needs to be neat. I think my daughter copied it over :)</p>

<p>The main thing to know is that the biggest hurdle has already been handled. You made it through prescreening. Your portfolio and overnight composition, and presentation to faculty, are the main things for admission and clearly you are deserving. Try to relax and enjoy it. MSM is that kind of place. There is a lot of joy in those hallways, as well as a lot of hard work.</p>

<p>Compmom - thanks for such a thorough description of the process at MSM!</p>

<p>Oops, wait! Here is the info on the overnight assignment:
<a href=“http://www.msmnyc.edu/Portals/0/Documents/Departments/Composition/AdmissionCCPExamAuditionInfo.pdf[/url]”>http://www.msmnyc.edu/Portals/0/Documents/Departments/Composition/AdmissionCCPExamAuditionInfo.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>This info is hidden under the info on the theory exam!</p>

<p>The assignment has changed and is now in the candidate’s own style, with only general stylistic guidelines. Now I see why Jazz Up was worried about performing or MIDI, but the same advice holds: don’t worry about it, neither is required and a candidate can do fine without either. The main thing is the score.</p>

<p>Again, for reassurance, it is always a good thing and never a bad thing to call the admissions folks and talk to them.</p>

<p>Good luck to all, and enjoy if you can!</p>

<p>Compmom - Thank you so much! This description is really help! Now I know what should I do :)</p>

<p>Thought I’d join this thread as I have a few of the same questions. </p>

<p>I’ve been invited to audition at MSM and Juilliard for a Master of Music in composition. Can anyone give me a heads up on the details of the exam (difficulty etc), and the importance of the exam in comparison to the interview and take-home assignment??</p>

<p>I’m from one of the most isolated cities in the world (perth, australia) so no-one seems to be able to tell me what to expect! </p>

<p>Any and all words of advice much appreciated :)</p>