<p>^ LOL
I would only turn him in, if I believe that the grader might think that I was the one copying. But besides that, it's his problem if he's retarded. I think cheating is the dumbest thing you can do, grades are pointless unless they prove that you actually learned something. The point of an A (or whatever) isn't the A itself, it's proving that you know your ****.</p>
<p>Cheating is bad, ok, fine. But the punishment doenst fit the crime. Would you put a homeless man away for life for stealing an apple. NO. The analogy fits much better than murder. Becuase the student was in need, he commited a minor "infraction" dnt ruin his life. Also for u guys out there who seem to care as much about their work and all the tudying they do as much as food it just fits in more. It seems as though at the top of the list of evils is cheating. Cheack your own morals before u judge others. I think u have to move out of your pretentious bubble that seems to have been placed on top of the world. Relax, again xanax or valium always helps</p>
<p>Did the professor have a seating chart from the final, or would he/she know who sat down next to you?</p>
<p>You could always just say, "I think somebody may have been looking at my final and may have copied some of my answers." </p>
<p>You could claim not to remember who it was, that you didn't really get a good look. Also, you may say that you're not really sure if the person cheated or not, but that you have a suspicion. That way, you won't get in trouble if the professor notices a similarity between yours and the guy's work.</p>
<p>Obviously, you couldn't just turn to him during the middle of your test and say 'stop' and you may not have noticed until it was nearly over. I would just try to make sure you cover your answers next time in order to protect yourself from these answer-stealers.</p>
<p>I'm actually really surprised to read some of these replies. I think that cheating, especially on a final, is so wrong. You may not want to "ruin his life," but he knew that cheating was wrong and that he was taking a risk. I really don't think you're being a douchebag if you turn him in.</p>
<p>cheating in an academic institute isn't like a homeless man stealing an apple. a dumb analogy. first a homeless stealing food is just trying to survive. a person cheating in an academic institute is warned when he first enters the school and at the very first class not to cheat. it's a rule. you don't cheat because you need to survive. one cheats because they did not prepare enough for the exam. that's why there is tutoring and office hours and having talks with the professor if you feel you may need extra time in tests or help understanding material.</p>
<p>a good analogy to cheating is the Enron case. those guys knew what they were doing. they broke the law (the rules). that's illegal (cheating). they most definitely didn't need to do so to survive like the homeless man. they did it because they were greedy and wanted to cash knowing many people were going to be screwed over.</p>
<p>when cheating you can have different motivations for doing so (maybe you didn't study at all and need all the help you can get, or maybe you study all you can and need help with just 1 question to give you that A that no one else in the class may get), but whatever the case is it's still cheating. and yes cheating can affect the rest of the class. imagine if everyone in the class cheated and almost everyone got the same grade because of that, you'd be seeing a lot of C's. that doesn't help you if you studied and you know you actually learned the material but other people did. yea it's just a grade, but unfortunately for that initial job, those grades will be a factor into the hiring position.</p>
<p>and this is not going to ruin this cheater's life. it' not like you can't survive or live life without a college degree. the student can go to another school elsewhere and/or learn a trait. you guys make it seem like he's going to go to jail for cheating. he isn't.</p>
<p>and this isn't a problem with looking out for one another. it's not being selfish either. it's the kind of thinking that says 'yea he cheated but it's not a big deal' that leads to corruption later on. you guys should watch the movie Serpico starring Al Pacino. what happens when the people who are supposed to protect you start cheating the system themselves? you get corruption.</p>
<p>some people can go their entire lifes cheating and never being caught. don't just assume he'll get what's coming to him later on.</p>
<p>well said, BP.</p>
<p>And furthermore, many schools don't automatically kick a student out for cheating. He or she might be suspended or put on academic probation, which I think would be a punishment worthy of the crime. And it will definitely make the cheater think before he or she did it again.</p>
<p>And under no circumstance would it be the OP who "ruined" the cheater's life. The cheater risked that when he made the decision to copy.</p>
<p>^Agree with two posts above.</p>
<p>I think the op has to save him/herself. The op stated that the guy copied the exact same sentence. What this means is that once professor notices, the op would be branded as an accomplice. Thus neccessitating action on the op's part.</p>
<p>ure right, the apple and homeless man was stupid. (im actually not being sarcastic its probably the most stupid thing ive ever said, or at least posted). But dont speculate that cheating is going to cause further corruption later. And especially dont than base ure evidence on a movie. But i still do contend that it can and will ruin the kids life. But the question isnt so much wat it will do to the cheater. I actually want to know, what compels some people here to want to turn the kid in. Im sort of tired of arguing about it, (diff ppl have diff views on it) but y do u guys feel he should be punished? (i already know the we studied he didnt arguement, and the it is still wrong to cheat arguemnt) Other than those, wat really bugs u guys about it. Cause i can say personally cheaters dnt bother me. I just do my own thing, and i dnt worry about it. i actually was sorta screwed over with a test once cause of cheating, and i laughed it off for two minutes and life went on, i nvr even thought about turning in or even continuing to think about the cheating</p>
<p>cut off at the start, what does that mean. IDK, for me i have frends that cheat and some of them are the nicest kids i know, they either dnt care enough to study, or dnt care that much about getting caught. But alot of them are really nice kids in and out of the classroom anyway, and i wouldnt rat them out ever. I just thought of something, its proabably called "ratting out" cause the ppl that do it are like rats</p>
<p>u dnt need a 2300 to connect those dots</p>
<p>Because I copied the homework of the kid sitting next to me I'm obviously going to be the telemarketer that doesn't stick to the script, the manager that comes to work an hour late and leaves an hour early, or maybe some carpenter that does 'shoddy' work and puts together desks that just fall apart a week later?</p>
<p>Yep, I see the correlation.</p>
<p>wow, my posts went out of order, the "2300" comment i posted afer my other one, thats so wierd</p>
<p>think about why you copied his homework.</p>
<p>Because I was studying for a math test the night before and fell asleep before I got the opportunity to complete some busy work...</p>
<p>and nevertheless, you felt that it was ok to take credit for work you didnt do, so that the teacher would be led to believe that you are able to budget your time, when you actually are not able to.</p>
<p>Have any of you seen the movie with West Point and the football team. Knowing about cheating is cheating. Go confront the kid and see what he has to say. I'd say that someone copying off me is hurting me as they are more likely to get my job, or a scholarship. If I would tell the professor... probably not, but only because I hate most confrontations.</p>
<p>You should have covered your test! If you know that he is copying and you aren't doing anything to stop him, that is considered helping him and you get the same consequence for it as he does. If he copied ONE multiple choice answer then it wouldn't be as bad, but copying a WHOLE test? You could/should stop him. It's too late to fix anything now, but in the future, remember to cover your test.</p>
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You should have covered your test! If you know that he is copying and you aren't doing anything to stop him, that is considered helping him and you get the same consequence for it as he does. If he copied ONE multiple choice answer then it wouldn't be as bad, but copying a WHOLE test? You could/should stop him. It's too late to fix anything now, but in the future, remember to cover your test.
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<p>Sage advice. I was wondering the same thing (as to why you didn't cover your paper up, or maybe write "Hey, stop looking at my paper you little cheat" where the answer should've been). I'd recommend turning the little cheat in, but the teacher might say 'Well, why didn't you say anything, or move, and what were YOU doing looking at HIS test?" and you'd wind up in trouble along with the guy. You still should probably turn him in though, before it's too late.</p>
<p>Copying homework I don't have that much of an issue with. Copying tests? It isn't high school and the majority of college courses are graded on a curve. So yes, it does hurt you if you have people cheating and increasing the class average.</p>
<p>I'm not someone who'd turn him in explicitly, and in high school I let people cheat off me. No biggie, as long as the cheater was a nice person. I did once write down entirely false answers on a MC test while printing the correct ones on another page in small letters, then switched them all at the end. Vindictive? Yeah. But the guy was an *******.</p>
<p>But what I'd do is just approach the professor and tell him you think someone's cheating off you, but you don't know who. Indirect but efficient. Cheating doesn't breed corruption necessarily, but it does breed entitlement.</p>
<p>I would probably argue that you're ruining their life by letting them caught later down the line when they have more to lose in their career. Detention now versus. Unfortunately for whatever reason they haven't been caught earlier (where punishment would have been relatively minor) but the longer you let them go, the more serious it will be when they are caught for it.</p>
<p>Getting caught for cheating does not ruin someone's life. In fact, you are helping them learn an important lesson and that honestly some people won't learn it without the punishment. If they were not prepared for the consequences, they shouldn't have cheated in the first place.</p>
<p>For people who think they're doing the cheater a favor by letting it slide are just setting them up for more serious stuff later one. For people who think that's a good thing slash that cheaters cosmically deserve it, that's just vindictive. How do you think people get caught later down the line? Karma? Fate? No, probably by someone reporting them. It's okay for someone to catch them later, but not for someone to catch them now?</p>