Need some advice

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<p>Hey guys, i have a serious decision to make.</p>

<p>I'm interested in studying business in college and I've narrowed my choices down to umich (accepted lsa) and nyu (referred to gsp from stern). The problems is, i can't really decide which school to get to because to tell you the truth, I love both schools and they are both awesome. I need some help from you guys/or girls.
I posted this in the michigan board i just wanted to get opinions from the mich and nyu boards. </p>

<p>Just a few things to take note:</p>

<p>a) i live in jersey
b) weather isn't a big factor
c) cost is not a big factor
d) i plan to find a job in nyc after i graduate.
e) i'm a big athletics guy</p>

<p>Pros about michigan: cozy college town, has a very nice campus, awesome athletics, a bit cheaper than nyu, i have not met a person who didn't enjoy going to michigan, complete college experience.</p>

<p>Cons: a bit far from jersey, not guarenteed into the business program, weathers a bit worse than in nyc. </p>

<p>Pros about NYU: extremely close to my house, its in NYC, if i maintain a 3.0gpa for 2 years i get a guarenteed transfer to stern for junior/senior years and graduate with a stern degree, ease of internships within the city</p>

<p>Cons: a bit more expensive than michigan, no campus, not very big on athletics, high cost of living.</p>

<p>I don't really care about the difference in reputation of either school as i know both are elite schools. My dad works for morgan stanley and he says they hold ross and stern in the same regard. </p>

<p>Please share your thoughts! Thanks.</p>

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<p>if i were in your shoes, i'd choose stern mostly because youre not guaranteed admissions into umich's business program.........not because i dont have confidence in myself but just that my first two years would be so much less stressful</p>

<p>but yeah its a tough choice.....michigans a great school</p>

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<p>BigRed, you are not guaranteed into either business program. You probably have to fulfill some gpa requirements at Michigan, as a freshman and soph. in order to apply to Ross. Have you enquired from UM what the Ross requirements are, and what % of students get into Ross as Juniors, and what their stats are? Similarly, you need to ask NYU what the requirements for entry into Stern are. I know that Stern is very selective, and I don't believe that a 3.0 is a guarantee into Stern, maybe into NYU in general.</p>

<p>The thing about Michigan, is, it is very highly ranked for many many programs, while NYU is a more average school, and only well known in a few majors.</p>

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<p>its kind of wack that you get a free pass to Stern just because NYU wants your money, and you didn't deserve to be in Stern in the first place, but get to go.</p>

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<p>i'd pick NYU Stern, its unheard of that they even put you in GSP, you should take advantage of it</p>

<p>Alice i have to disagree you with umich being better overall when infact it isnt. It has a 2/3 acceptance rate and a much much lower average SAT score. NYU has many top ranked programs, whereas umich has only business i know of ( in which NYU wins). umich is also scandal ridden after the whole affirmative action thing.</p>

<p>also a 3.0 will get him into stern. If you are deferred into GSP, you are GUARENTEED admission into the school you originally applied. You'll be takiing the same gsp as everyone else, so it should be no problem maintaining a 3.0 (youll be with people who were deferred from gallatan and cas, both easier schools to get into than Stern, so keeping up with them should be no problem)</p>

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<p>Big Red:</p>

<p>This is a no brainer...take NYU. Let me sum it with 3 points:</p>

<p>a. You're not guaranteed admission to UMich's b-school. You need a pretty steller GPA to get in from UMich's LSA, so you must allow for the possibitlity that you will not get in. Yes, I know at NYU you need a 3.0 in GSP to get into Stern....unlike UMich, NYU is a private school, 2 words for you: grade inflation. A 3.0 in GSP is VERY EASY, anyone who can get into NYU can get this if you don't have 18 tequilla shots at Bar None (big NYU bar in Greenwich Village) every night...even then you still might be able to. </p>

<p>b. NYU and Stern have a superior student body to UMich and Ross...in terms of selectivity and SAT scores. </p>

<p>c. Even if you get into UMich's b-school, Stern is still better...screw what US News says, trust me, thats not how recruiters view things. </p>

<p>As someone who has worked at a bulge bracket investment bank, and is very familar with wall st. recruiting, I can tell you at the undergrad level, Stern is above Ross....at the MBA level, they are more equal (perhaps your father was thinking about MBA programs). NYU is a powerhouse in finance and econ. and along with UPenn is the biggest feeder to Wall St. </p>

<p>Wharton is the only b-school that can touch Stern at the undergraduate level, so unless you get in there, this should be an easy decision.</p>

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<p>what is your problem quakerman, you're always willing to put down kids who a) don't hold stern in a godly view and b) kids who perhaps aren't "stern" material. You have absolutely no right saying I didnt "deserve to be in stern in the first place. please define "deserving to be in stern." also, wat's the difference if i get into stern from gsp or if i get in stern directly? I'm still getting a degree from one of the finest business schools in the world. </p>

<p>Thank you hmanx, alice, and mattistotle for your input. </p>

<p>Also, jwblue, the reason why i'm a bit skeptical about going to nyu is that I won't be able to network with students in stern my 1st 2 years as i won't actually be in stern until my junior year and as im sure you know, developing relationships and connections in your first few years (especially in business) is very important. also, please tell me the rest of the students at nyu are not like quakerman or else that would really stink.</p>

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<p>Bigred, friendship wise its probably best that you meet non-stern people first anyways, you'll have more fun. Whereas Stern has alot of nice cool people ( like me haha), it also has quite a few stuck up and snotty people such as you have witnessed lol. Ive talked to many many people on aim that got in ED, and GSP'ers are usualy the most fun people.</p>

<p>Network wise it is true you'll be at a disadvantage over non gsp-ers, but do you think your going to get more connections a few blocks from wall street, or in Michigan?</p>

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<p>mattistotle, are most of your friends sternies or from other various schools? just so you know i'm not worried about meeting people just meeting new people from stern (3 of my friends are going to stern ED, so i can always hang out with them).</p>

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<p>Big Red,</p>

<p>First off, I don't understand why you are worried about meeting Stern students. You won't have classes with them, but they live in the same dorms, use the same NYU facilities, go to the same parties, do the same extracurricular activities, etc. I was a philosophy major at CAS, and some of my best friends are from Stern. The only really segregated school at NYU is Social Work and to a certain extent Tisch. </p>

<p>Another thing, other students are not necessarily even the people you care to be "networking" with your first 2 years (those are future business connections I grant you that...but there is plenty of time for networking)....I mean unless they have some tycoon dad (which many at NYU do) are they going to get you a job? Exactly what type of networking are you worried about in your freshmen year? You'll be meeting and making friends with some amazingly brilliant people...that should be enough for future networks at that point at least. You're going to be at one of America's best colleges and are near wall st....networking should not be a concern.</p>

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<p>BigRed i got in ED this year, but I've taked to many current and prospective sternies and people from other schools, so I was basing it on that, so i might not be the most accurate... but i think what im saying it pretty correct...cya next year tho!</p>

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<p>Sorry Bigred, I didn't mean to be all rude. It's just kind of annoying that people can get in through the back door, and the whole GSP concept is pretty backwards if you ask me, and should be done away with.</p>

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<p>Quakerman, apology accepted.</p>

<p>"It's just kind of annoying that people can get in through the back door"</p>

<p>That being said, i'm sure it's pretty well known here stern doesn't regularly refer kids to gsp. according to the website, "Only a select few students are referred to GSP who originally applied to Stern simply because students in the Stern School of Business begin their coursework for their major in their first semester at NYU. Of course, several students are referred to the General Studies Program who originally applied to Stern, however, this is on a case-by-case basis." It's not like a million kids are being referred from stern, whereas CAS refers a lot of kids.</p>

<p>GSP is a way nyu can give admission to people who are absolutely dedicated to nyu and who have decent stats. If you're willing to go through 2 years of gsp you've gotta be committed enough to go to nyu. And yea, i agree to an extent that GSP is a way NYU makes money lol, but i got referred from stern so this is a good opportunity.</p>

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<p>Quakerman, apology accepted.</p>

<p>"It's just kind of annoying that people can get in through the back door"</p>

<p>That being said, i'm sure it's pretty well known here stern doesn't regularly refer kids to gsp. according to the website, "Only a select few students are referred to GSP who originally applied to Stern simply because students in the Stern School of Business begin their coursework for their major in their first semester at NYU. Of course, several students are referred to the General Studies Program who originally applied to Stern, however, this is on a case-by-case basis." It's not like a million kids are being referred from stern, whereas CAS refers a lot of kids.</p>

<p>GSP is a way nyu can give admission to people who are absolutely dedicated to nyu and who have decent stats. If you're willing to go through 2 years of gsp you've gotta be committed enough to go to nyu. And yea, i agree to an extent that GSP is a way NYU makes money lol, but i got referred from stern so this is a good opportunity. </p>

<p>Thanks everyone for their input. Continue to keep giving suggestions.</p>

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<p>Oh one more question for you guys, are gsp students looked down upon at all by other students or is everyone pretty cool about the whole gsp program.</p>

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<p>BigRed what were your stats and what hook did you have... because gsp to stern is incredibly rare, and I even thought they did away with it.</p>

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<p>Top public high school in Jersey
1330 (700m, 630 v) <-- yea this is not so great
710 2c, 710 writing, 760 chem, 690 chinese, 5 AP chem
3.884gpa - mostly all honors/APs, ~top 15%
FBLA - Competed at states for int'l business.
Chamber Orchestra - 1st violin
NHS, VP of Chinese Honor Society
Captain/1st singles of the Boys Tennis team
Top 15 Player in Jersey</p>

<p>My hook was that I was a tennis recruit. The Adcom obviously referred me to GSP b/c they saw that my stats blow but they didn't want to say no to the tennis coach so they compromised haha.</p>

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<p>Big Red,</p>

<p>Yes, GSP is a big money maker...and that frankly is the only reason that NYU has it. That being said, its not really looked down upon. I mean you have the same NYU facilities as everyone else, and for the most part, you'll be able to join the same clubs and partake in the same events as everyone else (some things might be school specific at NYU..but this is a very small portion of the overall experience). </p>

<p>There might be some good spirited mocking about GSP (NYU students say it stands for generally stupid people), but none of it is mean. Relax, you're going to be in a regular school in 2 years anyway. I know several people from GSP who eventually went to Stern....nobody cares...their degree is from Stern and says NYU on it. </p>

<p>Again, this is a no brainer....NYU over UMich.</p>

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<p>thanks jw for your input. i'm just a bit worried that nyu kids see gsp as a "backdoor" way into nyu (which it is) and therefore treat us differently. thats all. but thanks for your input.</p>

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<p>jw, one more question: i've heard from many people that nyu has a lot of cliques and that after your first or second year, the friends you've made are the friends you're going to have the rest of the way. That it's hard to make friends later on in the 3rd and 4th years. I've heard someone say "once people make friends, there will be no room to make more. " Is there any truth to this or is the student body generally approachable, outgoing, friendly, nice to minorities, etc. etc.</p>