need some disclosure

<p>I am currently a junior majoring in accounting with a 3.5 and set to graduate in May 2012 with a bachelors. I go to a Pac 10 school and have already had 8 interviews ( applied close to 17 or 18 companies ) and have been rejected by all. Not sure what I am going to be doing this summer other then taking classes over the summer. I am trying to see if this is the norm for most people because it is very frustrating and time consuming to try to obtain an internship/externship. I basically just came here to get some feedback and see what other people in my position are doing. I have a decent resume with lots of work experience and past externships but the only thing I can think of that is hindering me is that I'm competing with seniors and 5th years with a masters of accounting which is why I am getting rejected. </p>

<p>Btw all the companies I've interviewed with are F500 companies except for a few small local CPA firms.</p>

<p>From what it sounds like, it’s something you are doing during your interviews. All external factors go out the window when you get to the interviews and you are on absolutely even ground with everyone else. I’d say go to your career office and have some practice interviews, get some feedback, and rock those full time interviews in the fall!</p>

<p>you sure? each of my interviews have gone pretty well and I’ve established good rapport. I have had mock interviews to practice and they said I did a good job and answered the questions well. I am just trying to see if other people in my position are struggling as much as I am</p>

<p>bump!!!</p>

<p>The only other thing I can think of is that there are just better qualified/better interviewing candidates and there are not many spaces from your school/area. Is your school being heavily recruited? Most local CPA firms only look for 2-4 interns at the very most so those are very hard to get compared to midtiers and the Big 4. Also I would assume Fortune 500 companies don’t recruit too many people for accounting internship positions. My roommate interviewed with Amgen and they told him they were taking 6-7 people at the most.</p>

<p>Contact your local congressman. Many accountants work close to 80hrs/wk (2 fte’s) and accounting firms are in turn undercharging their clients for accounting/audit work. This is due to the abuse of lax labor laws and proliferation of staffing agencies.</p>

<p>Most accountants/auditors do not (IMO) exercise discretion and independent judgment because they follow the protocols prescribed by the audit program or follow procedures according to GAAP. On the other hand, a person in charge of writing the audit program would be exercising discretion and independent judgment.</p>

<p>The accounting industry is the epitome of shady employment practices. Businesses are requiring degreed accountants so they can be exempt from having to pay overtime and can subject them to long arduous hours. I believe the degradation of the accounting professions is due to the weak laws of the FLSA. At minimum, there should be a predetermined hourly rate like the criteria used to determine exempt computer employees.</p>

<p>Learned Professional Exemption
To qualify for the learned professional employee exemption, all of the following tests must be met:
• The employee must be compensated on a salary or fee basis (as defined in the regulations) at a rate not less than $455 per week;
• The employee’s primary duty must be the performance of work requiring advanced knowledge, defined as work which is predominantly intellectual in character and which includes work requiring the consistent exercise of discretion and judgment;
• The advanced knowledge must be in a field of science or learning; and
• The advanced knowledge must be customarily acquired by a prolonged course of specialized intellectual instruction.</p>

<p>Computer Employee Exemption
To qualify for the computer employee exemption, the following tests must be met:
• The employee must be compensated either on a salary or fee basis at a rate not less than $455 per week or, if compensated on an hourly basis, at a rate not less than $27.63 an hour;
• The employee must be employed as a computer systems analyst, computer programmer, software engineer or other similarly skilled worker in the computer field performing the duties described below;
• The employee’s primary duty must consist of:

  1. The application of systems analysis techniques and procedures, including consulting with users, to determine hardware, software or system functional specifications;
  2. The design, development, documentation, analysis, creation, testing or modification of computer systems or programs, including prototypes, based on and related to user or system design specifications;
  3. The design, documentation, testing, creation or modification of computer programs related to machine operating systems; or
  4. A combination of the aforementioned duties, the performance of which requires the same level of skills.</p>

<p>Administrative Exemption
To qualify for the administrative employee exemption, all of the following tests must be met:
• The employee must be compensated on a salary or fee basis (as defined in the regulations) at a rate not less than $455 per week;
• The employee’s primary duty must be the performance of office or non-manual work directly related to the management or general business operations of the employer or the employer’s customers; and
• The employee’s primary duty includes the exercise of discretion and independent judgment with respect to matters of significance.</p>

<p>29 CFR 541.207
Perhaps the most frequent cause of misapplication of the term “discretion and independent judgment” is the failure to distinguish it from the use of skill in various respects. An employee who merely applies his knowledge in following prescribed procedures or determining which procedure to follow, or who determines whether specified standards are met or whether an object falls into one or another of a number of definite grades, classes, or other categories, with or without the use of testing or measuring devices, is not exercising discretion and independent judgment within the meaning of Sec. 541.2. This is true even if there is some leeway in reaching a conclusion, as when an acceptable standard includes a range or a tolerance above or below a specific standard.</p>

<p>Jello, take your opinions elsewhere. </p>

<p>What do you not understand about the labor/leisure model? If individuals are willing to work and they find great benefit in the work they are doing, then there is no problem to speak of. </p>

<p>The generalizations about how “most” accountants operate is laughable. </p>

<p>Lastly, you spew all of this legislature as if it proves something. Please, just leave this board.</p>

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<p>This screams two things: You are having interviewing trouble or you are competing against older classmates that will be able to turn these internships into FT jobs (while you can only do it for an internship). I ran into the latter of these problems too at one point in college.</p>

<p>Being denied by 8 firms makes me think it is an interview issue, though. They wouldn’t interview you if they weren’t interested in hiring you.</p>

<p>liore, please do not give up hope. Many companies are still recruiting summer interns. Contiinue to be proactive with your school’s Career Center’s Job Positings and apply to as many position that you might qualify as possible. March and April are still prime time for internship recruitment.</p>

<p>bumppp!!!</p>

<p>I feel like the fact that you bump this thread only after 2-4 hours says something about yourself.</p>

<p>Also, don’t panic, I’ve had friends get internships right before the summer starts, but for accounting a lot of them tend to do their internships during the winter.</p>

<p>Time to report him (jellocancer) for ■■■■■■■■. I suggest others join in.</p>

<p>^ I will join, but I’m anxiously awaiting his response as to his career plans that are so magnificently better than Big 4 accounting. He better be going to med school on a full scholarship or something lol</p>

<p>Goose
You are right goose but only one interview went bad because they were looking for a bookkeeper and I’ve never used QuickBooks. So it was not a good match. The other company invited me to an interview but once they found out I wasn’t graduating with a 150 units like they desired they could not interview me.</p>

<p>As for the rest it may be a limit of spots because I remember seeing the interviewers and those piles of resumes they had were pretty big ( roughly 15-20 resumes in the packet) I’m assuming they only had like 4 or 5 spots which kinda sucks, anyways I’m still pursuing other internships but i am just getting kinda worried because my grades are good and I have good work experience. I have also had 2 mock interviews and they said I did a good job, also the interviews I have had with public accounting firms and F500 companies have went well as well.</p>

<p>I don’t know if I want to report such a genuine source of comedy.</p>

<p>Jello’s intelligence is clearly shown when his only citation involves a blog that spits out about 7 pop-ups.</p>