Need Some Help on Pre Med

3 suggestions:

  1. be sure you are studying effectively. A lot of students do things like copy over their notes, re-read the chapter a few times before the test, do the homework the nite or so before it’s due. These are ineffective habits. Effective ones include self-testing and distributed practice. There is a book aimed at HS and college students that explains what is known about learning and has lots of tips for them; the book is “Make it Stick” and I suggest reading thru it

  2. recs play a big role in admission to selective colleges. You’ll want to get to know some of your teachers. I’m not suggesting brown-nosing, but being a standout student. Spend some time looking online at what good college recs look like, then think about how you can become/maintain that type of student.

  3. simply accumulating volunteer hours in itself is not a strong EC. You need to volunteer to understand if medicine is right for you, but beyond service hours you need to think about leadership and accomplishment. The best way to do this is to tie it together with what you are already interested in. You mentioned volunteer work at a nursing home, but for example if you are in orchestra at school what if you organized a few concerts there? For a writing class maybe you could organize students to get life histories from some of the residents in a story they could share with their families? These are just off the top of my head, I’m not saying to do them, but you need to think of things that are not just signing up for X and Y.

@readyforachange - You are in a legal guardianship. You are independent for the FAFSA. Your family doesn’t have to help you file that. Unless you have a bunch of money stashed somewhere, you could very well end up with an EFC of ) which would qualify you for a full Pell Grant, Federal Work Study money, and a Federal Student Loan. If there is state money available to you in MI, you would also qualify for that with the FAFSA. Some places on your current list will require that you also file the CSS Profile. The Profile looks at different financial information than the FAFSA. You really do need to start a new thread in the Financial Aid Forum to get help with the money issues. So go there and do that.

If you have relatives in CA who could become your court-ordered legal guardians, you could move there to finish high school, and then you would be a resident for college. So ask them about that. You would not need to be adopted.

I have known several pre-meds who picked up EMT or CNA certification in high school, and then got jobs that allowed them to be paid while collecting the clinical experience that the med schools are looking for. That could be an option for you to consider.

You might want to add Rice to your college radar. It’s an elite school with a beautiful campus located in a large, diverse, fun, up-and-coming city. (Houston is the fourth most populous city in the US.)

Rice has excellent pre-med programs, and the school is situated quite literally across the street from the largest medical complex in the world–the Texas Medical Center, home of the renowned MD Anderson Cancer Center. This location provides Rice pre-meds with lots of great opportunities to get experience working in labs (which helps with med school applications). In addition, Rice is in the process of implementing a very generous new financial aid program, so–if you require need-based aid–the cost of a Rice education might well end up being substantially less than that of an education at a UC.

You emphasize that you want a city b/c your relatives won’t let you get a driver’s license, and I think that you are assuming that if you aren’t in a major city you have to be able to drive which is simply not true. Although it does vary by school, most college students don’t have cars: most large colleges have transportation systems, many colleges in smaller towns have all that you need within walking distance, and many colleges of all sizes have so much happening on campus that you rarely need to go off-campus. Even small colleges in isolated places have transportation options. So limiting yourself to cities is not necessary

More important for you is going to be paying for college: do you have any definite money for college at all? Every college search should start with the money: what can you afford? Almost any accredited university will give you the pre-med courses that you need for med school, and studying for the MCAT is up to you no matter where you go. As others have said, being a star at your undergrad (high GPA & superstrong recs) will do more to get you into medical school than a fancy name. In practice, unless you have money, that means looking at ‘meets full need’ schools and at schools that have full ride merit scholarships.

Meets full need schools are mostly very competitive academically. A few are both need-blind (that is, they figure out if they want you w/o thinking about how much financial aid you need) and meet full need (Columbia is one- with an acceptance rate of ~6%), but most will take into account how much financial aid you need before deciding whether to admit you. That means that you have to be at the top end of applicants to get an offer*. You can find lists on CC and elsewhere that list the schools that meet full need.

The full ride merit scholarships fall into 2 groups: the ones you qualify for automatically* based on SAT/GPA, and (highly) competitive named scholarships. You will find lots of threads about both over in the Financial Aid section of CC.

If your test scores are inline with your grades (and your grades continue to be high- be aware that junior year is often when the work gets a good level harder), and if (by senior year) you have shown commitment and leadership in your ECs (see post #20), you have a decent shot at a lot of ‘meets full need’ schools, the automatic merit scholarships, and named scholarships at colleges that are trying to move ‘up’ the prestige ladder*.

My suggestion is that you do some searching for lists of schools full-need, automatic and named full scholarship schools. Visit your college counselor (in May, after this year’s seniors are settled but before s/he gets stuck into next year’s seniors) and ask for where students from your school who need full financial aid have gone. Then spend the summer with a copy of the Fisk guide to colleges (available at your library if your budget doesn’t stretch), researching the places that will meet full need / will give you an automatic scholarship / are where people from your school have gone before. Bundle them first into 3 piles: Reach (any that accept under 20% of applicants); Possible (accept 20-50% of applicants) and Likely (accept 50%+) of applicants. Then subdivide each pile into “Love” “Like” “Last”. I suspect that you will have learnt a lot by the end of this!

Also do some serious SAT practice work over the summer. There are workbooks available in the library and a decent amount of practice stuff free online. Come autumn you will be taking the PSAT- if you do well that can open other financial aid doors, and will bode well for your actual SAT. During Junior year you may be given access to Naviance (or other admissions tracking system) for your school, and you can crosscheck admissions to places that you have in your piles to see how applicants from your school typically do. The goal is that - a year and a half from now!- you have a list of schools that you like/love, you can afford, and are likely/possible for you to get into- with a few reaches to keep things interesting!

*Remember that, as with all things financial, it’s a trade-off between what you have and what they want. The college that is willing to give you money is looking to improve itself by having you come.

ps, once you are 18 nobody can stop you from taking driving lessons and getting your own license- all you need is your birth cert.

@readyforchange If you keep doing your best, you’ll get into top colleges, will get financial aid to pay for everything and become someone who can change many many lives including her own. Just chill and don’t take daily struggles seriously. I suggest two routes, one is to apply for accelerated BS-MD and become independent fast or take advantage of free Ivy education before you head to a medical school. Either way, keep working hard and keep finding happiness in little things.

Besides continuing to keep your grades up, I would concentrate on the PSAT. If you can score high enough to make National Merit Finalist, it opens up some additional opportunities. A U of Alabama NMF + Pell Grant will allow you to go to school for free. If you get the grades + MCAT, you will have the same chance at Med School.
https://scholarships.ua.edu/nationalscholars/
This would be a nice safety for you. You could then try to get into a meets full need school.

Look into Questbridge. :slight_smile:

@mikemac @Eeyore123 @CupCakeMuffins @collegemom3717 @MrSamford2014 @happymomof1 and to everyone who replied-

I am so grateful for each of your replies and can not thank you enough, I think I have clear idea of what to do now-

-Focus on getting a high SAT and ACT scores
-Maintain my GPA

  • Voulenteer in my community and organize events at the nursing home
    -Apply for FASFA and read through and try to understand more about financial aid in college
  • Talk to my counselors about college
    -Apply to schools that would help me get into medical school
    -Don’t be close minded lol(I think before I was set on going to college in a big city but I’m not so sure now, Each had it’s own benifits and I should look past just that)

@romanigypsyeyes I will definitely take you up on that and message you if I have any questions,thank you!

Again thank you so much I feel a lot surer(?) of my plan and how I should go about things- but I am I missing anything from the list above? Thank you again!

Whenever you have questions, post in the “college search and selection” but also on the “parents” forum if you want answer by parents.
(Avoid the “chance me” threads, where many kids lie and… what do current high school students know about your chances of getting into anything?!)

Environment: sometimes, college towns are easier to navigate than big cities, because everything in a college town is geared toward students. Therefore, there are buses, shops you can easily walk to… Compare Ann Arbor with Detroit or Lansing with Grand Rapids… Ann Arbor and Lansing are much nicer and easier to navigate. In addition, contained campuses tend to offer a lot of entertainment, often free or very low cost to students, whereas urban campuses tend to rely on the city to entertain students (downside: it costs a lot of money. For instance, it’s unlikely you’ll be able to attend all the Broadway shows you’d like to, because you’ll nee the money to pay for books and food :p).

Don’t focus on any one college. Get books called Princeton Review’s Best colleges Admission Possible _, _Th College Solution, from your library and start reading, keeping an open mind.
Over the summer, prepare assiduously for the PSAT. Use books from your library and Khan academy.
READ a lot :slight_smile:

I think you said you were the first in your family to go to college in the US: where were your parents from? Do you still speak the language?

Look into Questbridge. There’s a program for Juniors that really explains everything about college and helps you write excellent applications.

You are an amazingly accomplished person, especially given all that you have gone through. If you are truly set on pre-med, understand that you can get into medical school from ANY reputable college or university. It doesn’t have to be top 50 or even top 100. You need a high GPA, great MCAT scores and the clinical and volunteer experience.

The first thing you need to do is find out how much money is available for you for college. Did your parents leave any for you? Are your guardians willing to pay anything? This is a tricky situation and I’m not sure how FAFSA will view it all. It would be great if you could get help from a knowledgeable college counselor. I believe there are some free services out there for high stat students to help with college search and financial aid.

Also, take a look at Questbridge if its possible that you might count as coming from a low income family, that program can lead to fully paid college at some of the best universities in the country. I hope others more knowledgeable than me will chime in here.

@MYOS1634 My family is from Bangladesh and I can still speak it and The people I live with are Japanese so I can understand that and reply and I can read Arabic because of my religion and take Advanced Spanish in school. Thank you for your insight!

@gallentjill My parents had money saved up but due to my dads hospital bills, so they dont anymore, I would like to believe that my guardians would pay but whenever I bring it up, they just tell me to get scholarships, My guardians do make a good amount of money but im not sure how much

Its very important for you to figure out how you will be treated for financial aid purposes. My guess is that your guardian’s funds will not be counted against you and that might open some good opportunities, but you must not take my word for it. Do you have a guidance counselor at your school who can help with this? Your situation is tricky and you should not have to do this alone. Please get help.

@gallentjill I will talk to my school counselor after the seniors leave (May) but I am just worried because if I am not able to get aid due to my guardians being well off, but then my guardians not paying for my college, I wouldnt know what to do.

Since you are in a court-ordered legal guardianship, you are independent for the FAFSA. Your guardian’s financial information will not be needed at all. Your aid will be based on your personal income and assets. It is my understanding that that is also true for the CSS Profile, but I may be wrong. So go to the Financial Aid Forum, and ask the experts there. http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/

If it were only that easy. those schools are extremely hard to get into. And now that NYU is offering free tuition to it’s medical schools it will become even more difficult to get in there

You should have The University of Michigan on your list because it meets need for in-state students.