Look into Muhlenburg in Allentown PA…strong in pre-med but a likely/maybe match for you. Don’t know about their merit aid but may be a possibility, especially if you are able to bring up your SAT.
St. Bonaventure mentioned above is very generous with merit.
ED is supposed to be for the school that a student has heart set on, and will attend with great joy if affordable. With NPCs, as long as not playing the comparison of cost game, one can usually get a good idea of the financial aid the school will give , and absent any omissions or mistakes on the applicants end, an aid package close to that predicted is usually offered. If a family business, unusual financial circumstances, non Custodial parent situation is in the picture, the risk can be high that does not happen, but usually that ED aid package is going to be about as good as it gets. You usually forego merit opportunities, however.
But these dates, ED has morphed into a strategy where students vie to get into the most selective schools they can, using that ED edge to hopefully make the difference. From what I’ve seen, it’s a definite, but not huge edge. My kid got into a single digit accept school ED with stats putting him right on the edge of the top 25% overall. It’s possible he would have been accepted RD —no one would have raised their eyebrows at a RD accept for him there because he’s still in the upper quarter of the kids at that school. The ED justmade it more likely, given that so many kids with those stats are also rejected for admissions.
Williams is a very tough admit even for the very top applicants. My son’s close friend got into Harvard RD after being deferred ED from Williams and then rejected. They are a very small school with a full array of competitive sports teams that take up a lot of the absolute numbers of bodies. Then, you have legacy, which they consider, and they want diversity. Many many top NEw England and NY students have Williams in their lists. Same with Amherst. I’ve seen amazing kids rejected from those two schools.
Google Common Data Set and look at section C to see what weight each parameter gets in admission and how you compare to the admitted #s.
Here is the Common Data Set for Bing: https://www.binghamton.edu/oira/cds/cds_1819.pdf
You are barely above the 25%ile for your SAT score right now.
Here is the CDS for Geneseo: https://www.geneseo.edu/sites/default/files/sites/ir/CDS1819/SUNY%20Geneseo%20CDS_2018-2019_SheetC.pdf
You are in much better shape there (top 25%).
Be careful with Geneseo. I know kids who were waitlisted with the OPs stats.
I agree. So have I. It’s a very good choice. I think an excellent ED school. Chances excellent for ED
You are starting a journey and there is no correct path but if you can stay out of debt you will have more options in life and the ability to do things that will make you stand out from the crowd applying to medical school. The average age of admission for medical school is 24 so there is no hurry. My advice to you would be to take a gap year and go somewhere like New Zealand and work to save some money and travel. Then look at college in Europe where it is much cheaper than the USA and many degree programs are in English. Then the peace corp or a masters degree. Then apply to medical school and fund it with a military or public health scholarship (MD or DO.) Unconventional advice but there is no hurry so don’t feel like you have to go straight to college.
Thank you to everyone who has given advice! I really appreciate it.
According to Geneseo’s website, its middle 50 for SAT and GPA are a 1170-1300 and a 90-95, respectively. Would this not make Geneseo a safety? Based off Prepscholar’s calculator, it has it listed as a safety with my stats. Is this accurate?
https://www.geneseo.edu/admissions/freshman-profile
how would my chances for RD be at Hamilton? Sorry if all these posts are annoying
Thank you so much for the resources!!
Hamilton would still be a reach, but it is also test-flexible which Williams isn’t: https://hamilton.edu/admission/apply/requirements
Hamilton College only accepted 15% of their applicants this past year. That is a combined ED/RD number. If you look up common data set for Hamilton, you can get some idea of the breakdown between ED and RD from the year prior. Also you can look at the mid 50% range. Of test scores.
The problem with these %s is that for small schools, the absolute numbers are small. 15% of 1000 is 150. 15% of 10000 is 1500. There are often set absolute numbers in the mix such as number of athletes, and orchestra or other specialties on a schools wish list. At large schools, that still leaves a lot of open seats. For small schools, it causes a crunch. You can see how that works with Geneseo too, being a small school.
To bring it home even closer, if you are having an event where there can be 50 people., and half of them are picked by someone else (say a wedding), that 50% is a lot tighter there than if you had 500 seats and you got to pick half the crowd. In the first case, you’d still have certain “must” invites like family and very close friends which leaves little or no seats left for the next circle of people under consideration. With 250 seats for you to fill, you can go to town. That’s sort of how the percentages for small schools get tricky.
Also, certain schools have a preselected group of applicants. My kids went to NY high schools, and all of the kids applying to Geneseo and Binghamton were pretty strong candidates. The Kids with low GPAs and low test scores did not bother to apply there.
Still, Geneseo is a very good choice for anyone. If you are planning to go to med school or any professional school after undergrad years, you don’t want to have much debt, nor do you want your parents hamstrung financially so they can’t help.
We are very fortunate to have strong schools like the SUNYs at various selectivity levels at reasonable prices. I personally feel that they are terribly underrated. Two of mine have SUNY degrees. I was impressed with both schools, one a smaller local SUNY, the other UB, the largest, with full university facilities in just about every department.
I don’t think Geneseo is a safety for you, however I do think you will get in (I realize that this may not make sense). I see Geneseo as a match. Remember…very strong students from NYS …kids at the very top of their class with test scores well into the 99th %…also apply to these schools. At our HS…those kids always get in despite these schools being a “safety.”
@cptofthehouse wrote:
Well, as of April 13th, they were reporting an acceptance rate of 16% and it’s unlikely it would go down as summer melt season proceeds:
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/22179926/#Comment_22179926
Also, note that Hamilton, like Middlebury, does not include January or February admits - which could be as high as 10% of the class - as part of its Class Profile:
https://spec.hamilton.edu/january-admits-not-granted-need-blind-status-in-admissions-d9fbb6815ae0
i’ve never understood this argument, Seventeen per cent is still 17% whether its 17% of a large number or a small number. The probabilities are the same.
But, what are we talking about, here? Counseling the OP to usse ED for a dream school or using it “strategically” for a match college she has a reasonable chance of getting into, anyway? Okay, you’ve presented your case. Let’s not hijack the thread.
I don’t think Williams or Hamilton are “tip” schools for ED for the OP. Too few seats open after legacy, athletes, wish list, diversity development admits are taken. However, I also believe that if anyone really wants to take a go at a school and would regret not trying, to do so. If you want something badly enough, you give it your all, and clearly ED is the best chance to get accepted to these highly selective schools when you have no other hook. That’s the part of the purpose of ED. Certainly not to apply, get in and then wish you’d given a school you like better a try.
I’m not presenting any case to the OP. Just laying out some cases (plural) and it’s really up to her which way to go. Most of my kids tended to take the paths they felt they wanted to try, not what I suggested, often strongly. And it’s not like I’m an Oracle of any sorts. I’ve been wrong and surprised.
Hamilton seems to be as clear as possible on its website. For the class of 2022, of students who graduated in the top 10% of their HS classes, 21% were accepted. However, Hamilton’s SAT profile lands among the highest in the country, with three quarters of accepted students scoring at 1430 or higher (though 7% arrived through its test-flexible policy). With these aspects considered, if you add Hamilton, particularly as an RD choice, I’d recommend you regard it as a reach.
I’d say Geneseo represents a safe admit for you.
Others have done a great job of addressing your admit/financial chances. But just to relieve your fear of a “stigma” being attached to premeds at public colleges in NY: Geneseo, University at Buffalo, and Hunter all had better MD school admit rates last year than NYU, and Bing and Stony Brook weren’t far behind.
Hamilton enrolls fewer students from New York State (22%) than Cornell (31%) and Colgate (25%).