need suggestions: science at a Liberal Arts

<p>We're absolutely stuck and need some suggestions. So far, my S has been so focused on the large nat'l universities, but we'd like to consider the LACs. Which ones are good for their sciences, especially interested in pre-med and maybe environmental sciences.</p>

<p>gpa: 4.25 (W)
SATs: 2250 800M, 750CR, 700W
SAT IIs: USHis 730, Bio 750, Math 800
lots of ECs and leaderships
tons of awards</p>

<p>Not just Amherst or Williams, since they're a reach. What would be a good "just right" and/or safety?</p>

<p>Check out Dickinson and Muhlenberg, as well as Washington and Jefferson. All give excellent merit $$$ as well</p>

<p>Franklin & Marshall has a very good pre med track. Although it is not an LAC, Case Westen is also outstanding and not much larger than many many LAC’s and small for a national university.</p>

<p>For science, depending on field:</p>

<p>Reed, Harvey-Mudd, Swarthmore, and Wesleyan come to mind, though that’s quite incomplete.</p>

<p>Brown, Rice, and Case are great smaller schools for scientists, IMO.</p>

<p>In New England, Holy Cross is known for pre-med and Colby has a very large biology dept.</p>

<p>I read Middlebury’s promotional materials, but don’t know anyone who has gone there for their sciences. Course, it’s still a huge reach (17% acceptance rate), but I think of Midd as the place to go for foreign languages, not science. Any recommendations for Midd?</p>

<p>I also heard Trinity, CT is really good for pre-med/science. Heard about those?</p>

<p>Rhodes is a match. Very strong programs in biology, chemistry, physics as well as interdisciplinary programs in biochemistry and molecular biology, neuroscience, environmental science, and environmental studies. Very strong med school acceptance record. I recommend you look at [Rhodes</a> College | Health Professions Advising](<a href=“http://www.rhodes.edu/academics/3981.asp]Rhodes”>http://www.rhodes.edu/academics/3981.asp). And a freaking beautiful campus in the middle of a city is a nice plus. Oh, and our students have all kinds of research opportunities including some really impressive work they do at St. Jude.</p>

<p>Don’t get me started…I’ll ramble on forever…</p>

<p>Thanks lynx. I always think of Vanderbilt there, not Rhodes.</p>

<p>Suggestions, in approximate order of selectivity:</p>

<p>Reach
Swarthmore
Middlebury (especially for environmental science)
Haverford, Carleton, Wesleyan, Reed </p>

<p>Match
Macalester, Grinnell, Colorado College, Whitman (which all offer merit scholarships)</p>

<p>[REED</a> COLLEGE PHD PRODUCTIVITY](<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/phd.html]REED”>Doctoral Degree Productivity - Institutional Research - Reed College)</p>

<p>I second Bobby’s excellent suggestion of F&M. </p>

<p>If your son is at all interested in environmental science, I would encourage him to consider LACs with a geology program. Environmental science is all well and good, but many employers prefer to hire geology majors, or at least people with a background in the geological sciences.</p>

<p>Suggested safeties and matches
Albion
Allegheny (strongly recommend)
Bates
Beloit
Bowdoin (strongly recommend)
Bucknell
Carleton
Colgate
Colorado College
Cornell College
Dickinson
Hamilton
Hope
Juniata
Macalester
Middlebury
Lawrence
Occidental
Pomona
Puget Sound
Sewanee
Vassar
Wesleyan
Whitman
Wittenberg</p>

<p>Oh my, we have some researching to do. The list streches from Washington (Puget Sound) to Maine (Bowdoin).</p>

<p>Does anyone know the difference between Carleton and Macalester? I always see these two colleges listed simultaneously. They must have very similar stats.</p>

<p>College of the Holy Cross opened a new $60 million Integrated Science Complex in January 2009 </p>

<p>[Integrated</a> Science Complex | College of the Holy Cross](<a href=“http://www.holycross.edu/science_complex/]Integrated”>http://www.holycross.edu/science_complex/)</p>

<p>Carleton historically has been much more selective than Macalester, though the gap has been closing in recent years as Mac has attracted more applicants. Carleton is generally thought to be stronger than Mac in the sciences. The atmosphere of the two schools is very different, with Mac located in St. Paul and Carleton about 45 minutes south of the Twin Cities in tiny Northfield.</p>

<p>The main differences between Carleton and Macalester with regards to student body are that Macalester is more urban and more international. Their academic profiles are very similar.</p>

<p>Holy Cross has a great pre-med program and strong alumni network. HC has a nice campus-1 hour from Boston. Agree about F&M, which also has solid pre-med traditon.</p>

<p>lima, I think the reason that the list is so long is that many LACs have excellent to very good science departments and track records for getting their students into medical school.</p>

<p>LACs have distinctive personalities, cultures and environments and it’s important to find a good fit, socially and in surroundings. Could you let us know what appeals to your son?</p>

<p>Geography, urban/suburban/rural, artsy/political/nerdy/sporty, fraternities? </p>

<p>Or to approach it another way, which national universities does he like? Sometimes you can find a small LAC that parallels a large or medium university in culture.</p>

<p>limabeans, your son’s credentials look pretty strong. So unless he has a criminal record, he should at least have a shot at just about any LAC. I’d suggest ruling out some of the less selective schools on IB’s list unless you’ve discovered some unique must-have quality in any of them (unlikely). </p>

<p>Is cost an issue? You only need one real academic and financial safety. For many people that’s likely to be an in-state public university. Conceivably it would be a private LAC that offers large merit aid packages, but you can’t really begin to count on that until you go pretty far down in the level of competition. Earlham College is a very good school that offers good merit aid, has some strong science programs, and is much less selective than Carleton/Wesleyan or Macalester/Whitman. Guilford is another small, historically Quaker college (like Haverford and Swarthmore); it has an exceptional geology program. Or check out some of the less selective ones on IB’s list (Allegheny, Juniata, Wittenberg) – but only (IMHO) if you are really unexcited about your in-state public options.</p>

<p>We looked at many LACs with my youngest (who is interested in environmental science). He settled on Colorado College, which is less selective than schools like Middlebury but still attracts strong applicants with high scores and interesting backgrounds. It has a very good geology program that takes advantage of its Rocky Mountain setting. It has a fine new science building. It gives merit scholarships. Someone like your son might qualify for about $10K (over and above any need-based aid). Unless he can play ice hockey convincingly ($$$!!!)</p>

<p>One nice thing about CC is that you can apply non-binding EA. Your son probably would get early notification by mid-late December (including a merit aid offer.) Then you could re-calibrate your application strategy and either focus on more selective reach schools, or add a couple less selective or less costly colleges. Or breathe a sigh of relief and pick Colorado College, as long as you are o.k. with its unique “block plan”, designed to focus intensively on one course at a time and to foster field work opportunities (especially nice for life sciences, envi sci, geology, or foreign travel/immersion).</p>

<p>Other posters might be able to suggest other good “match” or safety colleges with non-binding EA and merit aid. I believe these include Kalamazoo, Beloit, Centre College (match/low-match); Wittenberg, Earlham, Guilford (low match/ safety). </p>

<p>I think good reach schools with non-binding EA and merit aid include Rice and the University of Chicago, among smaller national universities. Chicago offers some full tuition scholarships for academic merit (heavy competition for these). It’s a world-class research university, strong in sciences, with small average class sizes. Between these two, you get either Houston’s heat and humidity (with dinosaur-size cockroaches) or Chicago’s snot-freezing cold winters. So much to think about!</p>

<p>Not to add to your list, but you also might look at Oberlin. Very strong student body, excellent in sciences, especially Environmental. It would be a match school. They also offer merit aid.</p>

<p>FYI, Rhodes is also doing EA this admissions cycle (our first time trying it out).</p>