Negative attitude towards WUSTL?

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<p>I can't speculate to the reasons why certain persons apply ED, what I do know however is that the very lack of school choice in the matter is, to me, enough reason not to include them in the yield numbers.</p>

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<p>I agree with brand_182 that for most students, their ED schools are their first choices ... so the yield would be near 100%.</p>

<p>You are entitled to your own opinion of course ... except that your calculation is flawed. It says "44.6% of the Columbia College class was admitted through Early Decision."</p>

<p>You were correct to take 44.6% off the #enrolled (44.6% off 1017=454) ... but you also should take the same number off #admitted (1667-454=1201).</p>

<p>And your "recalculated yield" should be 563/1201=47% instead of 34%</p>

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<p>missmolly, I didn't apply to WUSTL. If you don't believe me, search my posts on CC or look me up on PR Stats.</p>

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<p>I'm sorry cavalier302...</p>

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<p>“I agree with brand_182 that for most students, their ED schools are their first choices ... so the yield would be near 100%”</p>

<p>-This may be true. However, it is to me not logical to study yield if we include people who unfairly are allowed to skew the number. Granted, maybe those who apply ED really would have a yield near 100%, but it is impossible to know; many people apply ED for many reasons. The very lack of choice to attend a different college is to me enough reason not to include these applicants in the calculation. This number, more so than many others, can easily be slanted by colleges. How? If a college wants a higher yield, all it would have to do is accept more people ED (given that they meet minimum statistical requirements, so that other numbers don’t drop). This is why schools like Penn and Columbia have very large yields. </p>

<p>"And your "recalculated yield" should be 563/1201=47% instead of 34%"</p>

<p>That's what I was going for.....</p>

<p>Honest mistake, but thanks. :)</p>

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<p>A controversy between the past and the future.</p>

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<p>kk very good argument a/b colleges accepting students from ED to increase their yield. I didn't think of it like that.</p>

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<p>Penn is notorious for that.</p>

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<p>GoBlue81 wrote: <<WUSTL may have many strengths. It's yield rate, however, is not one of them. Based on the data provided by US News:</p>

<p>WUSTL: 19822 applied; 4400 admitted; 1452 enrolled -> 33% yield
In fact, it's been hobbling around 30+% yield for the past few years. This puts WUSTL quite a bit below Cornell(50%), Brown(57%), Rice(40%) and Northwestern(41%), schools that are ranked a few notches below. And significantly below Penn(63%), Columbia(59%) and Dartmouth(50%), schools that are ranked a couple notches above. It's more at the level of USC(34%).</p>

<p>*You meant "no one was taken off the waitlist this year"...There were certainly a lot of people being placed on the waitlist this year, as in the past few years.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>></p>

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<p>This data is way outdated, by like two years or so...this year 22000+ applied and around 3800-3900 or so were admitted for a class size of 1350...but 1470 enrolled, causing this housing crunch. Yield rate for this year? Around 38%, which still isn't that hot, but this goes to show that it's on the rise. 4% increase this year alone. Five years from now, who knows where it will be.</p>

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<p>My data came from US News 2006 which in fact reports admission data from the 2004-05 class. That's the best I could get my hands on. I was able to find WUSTL's 2005-06 enrollment data but they only reported the #applied and #enrolled (missing the #admitted).</p>

<p>Could you tell me what was WUSTL's yield for 2005-06?</p>

<p>And where may I find the 2006-07 data?</p>

<p>Btw, does anyone know what % of the freshman class was admitted from ED?</p>

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<p>"Five years from now, who knows where it will be."</p>

<p>Meaningless speculation. WashU, like Penn, has run into a glass ceiling. To continue to raise the yield rate and the selectivity, they must take cross-admits from better schools. In WashU's case, these are places like Dartmouth, Georgetown, Cornell, Rice, etc. In Penn's case, it is HYPS and Columbia.</p>

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<p>I don't think WashU has hit a glass ceiling. The school is increasingly taking cross admits from "better" schools. I think if WashU continues to rebuild its campus like its been doing, offering scholarships and just catering to students then they will continue to increase their yield.</p>

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<p>WashU is ranked SIXTY-SECOND on the NBER Revealed Preference Rankings. </p>

<p>The mark of a truly great school is that they don't have to offer merit scholarships to get students to come. WashU can't get Ivy League rejects who would rather go to Georgetown or Rice or Northwestern without throwing Benjamins at them. </p>

<p>They have a long, long, long way to go.</p>

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<p>Blasphemy, zephyr!</p>

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<p>Zephyr, you need to realize that those rankings are based on how well known WashU is among students...that has no bearing on the quality of the school itself. The reason this preference rating is so low is because not that many people even know where WashU is (too many think it's in Seattle or DC). But will that change? Yes it will, in due time. How long will it take? Hard to tell. It could be five years, it could be five decades for all we know. But also remember that WashU had a yield shock this year...it went up like 3-4% this year alone.</p>

<p>Also I know plenty of students who have chosen WashU over Ivy League schools, and over Northwestern, Rice, Duke, Georgetown, etc...AND they have not received a buck worth of merit aid.</p>

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<p>The ranking has the University of Miami at 55 and Florida State at 70, and doesn't even mention U of F in the top 100.Anyone from FL would recognize that as nonsense.</p>

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<p>Yes, eureka, you have a firm understanding of the RP rankings.</p>

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<p>Georgetown gave me full. WashU gave me none. I choose WashU.
Please backup your points of argument zephyr.</p>

<p>You sound like a high school-er who views ranking as everything =D
Quite frankly, this whole ranking business, whether U.S. News or whatever that NBER thing, is ridiculous!
How one school compares to the other is an abstract issue, an argument that has no definite answer. What aspect is to be judged? It isn't concrete like elementary school mathematics. </p>

<p>Zephyr, your a concrete thinker. Just like my 3 year old sister. Grow up?</p>

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<p>Or find something that's really worth being competitive about. College rankings aren't it.</p>

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<p>Georgetown gave you full what? As far as I know, Georgetown has no academic scholarships.</p>