<p>Basically, all of the acceptees on that list are like me in no way. I didn't see many if any at all who were accepted with a low 1400 SAT score (M&V) who wasn't an URM or val./sal. of his/her class. This sucks</p>
<p>if it makes you feel better KRabble88, a girl from my school got in REGULAR D last year with a 1410. She had a 4.0 and was president of like 5 clubs. Oh, and of course, it's Utah!
And another guy I know got in with a 31 ACT.</p>
<p>hi krabble..i got quite depressed at looking at the stats too.. SAT 1500 were all ard.. with really impressive ECs. i guess, the only thing tt consoled me.. was tt someone, who's also fr singapore got in with 1400. hmmph.
zhang: are you a chinese? your username happens to be my surname too. =)</p>
<p>Actually, only 7 of the 24 College of Arts and Sciences ED acceptees from last year had reported SATs of 1500 or over. </p>
<p>My concern here is that even in early decision most of the accepted had big hooks, mostly geographical, ie: Philly resident, rural PA (I've heard they want more of those), international from South Korea, Oregon resident, a crew recruit, a double legacy with an art hook, a Hispanic legacy, Philly resident,a Texan, Philly and African American, Singapore international, legacy, jazz pianist, Indiana, North Carolina, a girl who had done tons of public health research.</p>
<p>It did look like the Floridians had a little bit of an easier time getting in, too.</p>
<p>Of the people with no hook at all, including people from popular areas like NJ, NY and Mass, scores did seem to be really high: 1520 and 770 SAT 2s, 1540, 1500 and 780 SAT 2s, 1500 and 800 SAT 2s. </p>
<p>After looking at this thread, my theory is that it comes down to having at least two of the three following SAT, SAT IIs, grades. It seems like a good hook can sometimes replace one of those categories, so that if you only have one of the three, the hook can act as the second. I know that it is probably somewhat more complicated than that, but that's what I'm guessing.</p>
<p>What do the rest of you think?</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm going to have to agree to an extent. Everyone says that SAT scores won't necessarily get you into a school, but there's no doubt that those with excellent SAT scores are less likely to get rejected (obviously!). The Philly resident story is also very evident, but I'm wondering of which regions the whole "Philly residency" includes. I live in the suburbs of Philly (literally 30 minutes from Penn's campus), yet only about 8 get accepted from my school between RD and ED. This concerns me, because there are at least 10 people applying (or already applied I should say) ED from my school. I can almost assure that 3 of them will be automatically accepted, seriously. One of them is ranked top 5 of about 650 student with a 2390 on the SAT and his mother works there--a reason why he isn't applying to HYP, damn! Another has similar SAT scores, rank, etc. as me, but he's Jewish and very rich--he already assumes he got in since his parents already bought him an apartment in the city.. that rich bastard; the last one has a very unique hook: a pretty out-of-the-ordinary physical disability yet he is still a B+ student with SATs in the high 1200's (M/CR). Almost all of the other applicants are Asian girls except 1 or 2. This really sucks, but what can I do?</p>
<p>I understand that I'm not in <em>direct</em> competition with my fellow classmates per se, but still.. I can't help but feel like I'll be rejected. The chances of all of us getting accepted is slim to none! O WELL!</p>
<p>That kid you are competing with will only get in over you if his family, in fact, donated a lot of money to the school. His religion is not a factor at all(there was just a thread about this yesterday), in that Jews, like Asians are not considered an underrepresented minority at Penn. You might actually have preference over him if you are first generation college. </p>
<p>Sounds like your school takes about 50% ED, so my guess is that your location is a decent hook.</p>
<p>Sorry, I didn't mean to seem as though his religion had anything to do with it. I actually meant to just mention the fact that he was a white/caucausion applicant. It's just very common for white applicants to be accepted. I'm not technically a first generation college student. My sister is currently attending college and my dad went to college in Korean (Chung Ang University). However, ever since my moved here about 20 years ago, they have owned a dry cleaning/tailoring store (which is not the typical occupation of a college graduate I assume). I doubt that they will care much though, since I've only mentioned this information in the "family information" section and especially since I live in a middle to upper-middle class neighborhood/district. Anyway, I got an e-mail from my future interviewer literally about 15 minutes ago.. now, I've gotta start worrying!</p>
<p>ugh. i have no hook. my SAT score and GPA are high but my SAT IIs aren't as high as they could be. im so nervous! I really hope i don't get deferred but i think it's a lot more possible than i thought :(.</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm having a hard time picturing myself getting into any of the colleges I want to. Writing each essay seems to take forever (for me at least!). O well..</p>
<p>Does ANYONE think they are getting in ???? :)</p>
<p>i don't think 'Singapore international' is a hook... in fact, it's much tougher for us to get in.. for eg, my school is ranked 3rd nationwide.. but out of 13 applicants only 1 gets in.. and th regional rep. said tt it's a very gd stats for international students already... tt's how tough it can get for intl.
for the top school here.. the stats are as such for class of 2009 (i checked their website)</p>
<p>applied: 129, admitted: 16 (12%) excluding all that got into waitlist..
breakdown
early: 19 applied, 5 admitted
regular: 110 applied, 11 admitted, 7 waitlist</p>
<p>12% is definitely much lower than the admission rate.. and the regional rep said it's already very gd..!</p>
<p>haha i hope thats a rhetorical question collegecountdown...if its not congratulations to all those who are super confident enough about their chances but please don't be cocky and brag all about it, i for one don't really want to hear about it</p>
<p>i don't think i'll be rejected, but besides that I have no clue.</p>
<p>hm...no... i seem to be asking for rejection.. i think getting deferred wld be gd for me already.. i don't have very high SAT1 scores, sch don't use GPA, but im still in top10%. advantage is high SAT2 scores.. and if 'Singapore international' is a hook.. then haha.. i've got one. but looking at the stats.. it seems impossible for me to get in.. and i don't think i've got fantastic essays, cos i don't have very gd language skills, nor am i humorous or quirky by nature. but... tcher recs shld be very gd........ hm..</p>
<p>elemental - I stand corrected.</p>
<p>Does anyone else feel that getting into Penn would be too good to be true?</p>
<p>anyway... anyone here thinks Singapore is part of China? cos when my sister went to canada for an exchange.. most people thought she was from China when she said she's from Singapore.
tt's also the reason why we are told not to take SAT2 chinese...but i took it anyway...</p>
<p>princess - Yes!</p>
<p>elemental- I did know that - I know someone who just moved there.</p>
<p>CMH22888 - Yes, it was rhetorical!</p>
<p>Although it was interesting that last year a few people did make predictions - of 7 who thought they were getting in 5 actually did and 2 were deferred. Two thought they'd be deferred and one of those was accepted, one was deferred. One person thought they'd be rejected, and they were.</p>
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<p>It just seems like everyone I know (personally) who got into Penn in previous years was just really qualified in every aspect (ECs, SAT scores, class rank--the works). It goes without saying that I feel very inadequate when compared to these acceptees.. <em>sigh</em></p>