<p>After taking some suggestions the last time I posted this and noticing that some of you took the initiative to edit the page yourselves (hooray!), I have updated and reorganized my list of conservatories of music on Wikipedia and I hope this can be useful for any juniors, sophomores, or freshmen looking for conservatories to apply to. Again, I realize that no one really has an accepted definition of what a conservatory is as opposed to a school of music but if you have any suggestions for anything I've missed, let me know. Please, if you're going to edit it yourself, keep it alphabetized; I just spent 20 minutes putting it in alphabetical order and I'd like to keep it that way. Also, I'm probably not even done changing it so here we go, round two: List</a> of conservatories of music in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>
<p>For Oberlin, the admissions offices between the conservatory and the college are seperate. You can apply to the Conservatory without applying to the college. Otherwise, the Conservatory and the College share dorms, dining facilities, the coop program, and financial aid office amongst other things. Just thought the word “seperate” as used in the entry for Oberlin is vague.</p>
<p>Yeah, good call. I wasn’t actually sure in what way the two were separate; I had just been told they were. I think for simplification I’ll edit it back to just Oberlin College in parentheses.</p>
<p>^^^Same as above for Eastman/U Rochester. You don’t deal with U of R at all for admission to Eastman. No test scores, nothing. Dorms are also separate. Only if you apply dual degree would you apply to U of R, and most dual degree students live at Eastman. Technically, Eastman is one of the schools at U of R, but many (most) Eastman students never set foot on the U of R campus.</p>
<p>Yeah… I’m going to go with just to what each conservatory is affiliated with and leave it that vague for all of them. The Longy thing is just because that merge is really new and probably relatively unknown at this point. Obviously those two are even further removed from each other than Eastman and Rochester since they’re not even in the same state. Maybe a disclaimer at the top would do it some justice.</p>
<p>Is Boyer (Temple) not included for a reason? Just curious.</p>
<p>This is a cool idea…it would be helpful to many.</p>
<p>I did notice/think of a couple of things. First…How about Juilliard? I don’t think I saw it. Also, I wouldn’t call Mannes a “University”…it is a College. And, you might want to include Boston University College of Fine Arts and Frost School of Music at Miami.</p>
<p>I don’t know anything about Boyer so I’ll look it up when I get home from school. What exactly is the New School? Is it a super liberal arts school? I put it in the university category because there are a bunch of colleges/schools of the New School. Juilliard is indeed at the bottom of the list. I will also update those when I get home. I know enough about those two to safely put them on there. They also have a general list of all music schools somewhere. Maybe I’ll find it and post in on here too.</p>
<p>Should also add the University of Missouri - Columbia School of Music. Up and coming and well funded composition program.</p>
<p>You might want to consider checking here:</p>
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<p>My D used the print version of this guide when she was looking for music schools.</p>
<p>Sorry to whoever uploaded UCLA Herb Alpert but they do not offer a BM, only a BA in music for undergrad so I’m really hesitant to refer to them as a “conservatory” and removed that school from the list. That doesn’t mean they’re not a great school, just that they have more of a music school feel and less of a conservatory feel. We need to keep in mind here that we’re categorizing schools by type of music education, not the quality of the program so it’s not a blow to any school that isn’t on the list. The other updates are coming soon.</p>
<p>I wouldnt know how to add or delete, but the Los Angeles Music Academy in Pasadena (just down the street from where I live) only issues AA degrees. You might list the criteria in your Wikipedia entry rather than going by “feel”. And I’m sure that whoever added the UCLA listing will take this with a grain of salt and will recover from the “blow”.</p>
<p>addendum: In fact you might want to add specifically “schools which offer a Bachelor of Music” (as opposed to “just” an AA, BA, MM, or DMA.) Just in case someone want to add places like the Yale SOM. The Yale SOM certainly “feels” like a conservatory, but does not offer a BM in performance either.</p>
<p>Ooo, good info on Los Angeles. I’ll remove it. Would anyone like to draft a definition to go off of for reference at the top of the page?</p>
<p>Also, I think that for a conservatory setting to be established a BM degree would definitely be a criterion but it would have to go beyond that; there are plenty of state universities with schools of music that are certainly not conservatories. I’m rather unfamiliar with the course requirements (which should probably constitute the categorization) for graduate degrees. I’d assume that it’s fairly uniform across the board for MM degrees to have a large performance and theory requirement without much of a general education aspect since they’re not undergraduate degrees. Is this a correct assumption or do these things differ? Obviously, MA degrees in music are another story. That said, plenty of the top schools that are undeniably conservatories have BA degrees offered. I only think that doesn’t meet the criteria if that’s the only undergraduate degree offered. Schools with both, like CCM or Lawrence or Eastman or Michigan (although theirs is technically a BMA, not a BA, but same difference) could still certainly be conservatories.</p>
<p>Though I admire your attempt to make this list, I think you are going assumptions and misplaced feelings rather than a set of criteria and research.( Maybe changing the title of your list to" Institutions that offer a BM in music"?) What about a highly regarded school that offers a BA for undergrads, but have an equally highly regarded MM and DMA? Such as UCLA and Yale? The Musicians Institute in LA is more of a conservatory than the Yale SOM? Is a SOM more of a conservatory just because it’s at a private university as opposed to a public university.?Just a few questions that need to be answered before you compile this sort of list. And please, don’t be fooled by feelings engendered by flashy websites. I’ve visited the Musicians Institute and I’ve visited Yale. Just sayin.</p>
<p>Hmm, well as I was trying to get across, I don’t know how to look at graduate programs because I’m unfamiliar with them. Musica, would you like to answer my earlier question about the differences in training across MM programs? To my knowledge, because of a lack of general ed requirements that aren’t part of the nature of masters degrees in general, I think the distinction should be made more along baccalaureate lines. Am I wrong in thinking this? I posted this to get suggestions and information and I’ve been trying to be flexible. My example of public universities was, of course, based off the ones I know that aren’t conservatories - Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. Obviously, I don’t think all public university schools of music aren’t conservatories… Indiana and Michigan are on there. And once again, we’re going off categorization that we can (hopefully) agree on, not how good the school is. Northwestern Bienen and Vanderbilt Blair are clearly not conservatories but they produce as many high-level musicians as any other program.</p>
<p>What I’m asking is that since you ARE making a qualitative judgement on conservatory/non conservatory, please share what that judgement is based on. What exactly to you makes U Mich a conservatory and Northwestern Bienen not a conservatory? Or Cal State Long Beach vs Vanderbilt Blair?Or Indiana vs Temple? I am not trying to be antagonistic, but you are asking people to help you compile this list, but will not share your specific criteria for that list.
(FYI–you can compare MM requirements based on focus or instrument by viewing those requirements online----good luck with that)</p>
<p>I would think if the music entity, e.g., Oberlin Conservatory, has a completely separate application process, then that distinguishes it from, e.g., Bienan/NU (at which school you have to be accepted by both entities in order to be a music major)? Is this what you were trying to say?</p>
<p>I’ve come to think that as a grad student I worked at the library for far too long. Unless a list or a compendium follows a set of criteria I understand, I tend to bristle a bit. I will spend the rest of the morning lining up my pencils according to sharpness. 
APOLOGIES.</p>