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<p>Except that it too is based on the student surveys. And Emory students ranked it up there with Wharton.</p>
<p>"Also read the footnotes and realize that Emory's reputation on Wall St. is not as good as that of NYU, but its reputation in Southeast could be better than that of NYU."</p>
<p>This is a national ugrad ranking; not a regional one. Tepper might be amazing in Pittsburgh and possibly only Wharton can compete with Haas (or not even) on the West Coast but this isn't what the ranking is about. </p>
<p>If it is, they should say so instead of being misleading and call it "BEST UGRAD B-SCHOOLS IN SOUTHEAST".</p>
<p>AcceptedALready, why don't you use the job placement ratings and the ave. salary to make a ranking for yourself? It's not that hard with the help of statistical softwares.</p>
<p>There are other people, including me, who are not as obssessed with ave. salaries and job placements. they are important, but we also care about academic quality/teaching quality/faculty-student ratios...</p>
<p>BW surveyed 2000 corporate recruiters, their opinions count as 30% of this ranking.</p>
<p>"AcceptedALready, why don't you use the job placement ratings and the ave. salary to make a ranking for yourself? It's not that hard with the help of statistical softwares."</p>
<p>I have a ranking for myself (it is in my head :)). </p>
<p>I think more people base their rankings off "ave. salaries and job placements" which is why I am addressing a point I think businessweek kind of misleads in a way. All posts are MY opinion though and I am only addressing the methodology and my own views.</p>
<p>Finally, I have already said that things like "academic quality/teaching quality/" are subjective. Can you really say Student A will learn more at College X than at College Y?</p>
<p>PS: Read banana's post concerning the rating. It is based off STUDENTS.</p>
<p>Dude, I just pointed out the major problem with the job placement rating - it's based on student surveys. Did you try sorting by Job Placement on the website? Northeastern and Minnesota outrank Haas and McDonough (Gtown).</p>
<p>You think the different between A+ and A is that significant? and Hass and Gtown ultimate rank higher than NE and Minn.</p>
<p>"In addition to surveying students, BusinessWeek polled nearly 2,000 corporate recruiters for companies that hire thousands of business majors each year. We asked them to tell us which programs turned out the best graduates and which schools have the most innovative curriculums and most effective career services"</p>
<p>their opinions were factored into the placement ranking as well.</p>
<p>"You think the different between A+ and A is that significant?"</p>
<p>The point is that the ranking is a bit.. unconventional... by most people's tastes, no matter the discrepancy between A+ vs A.</p>
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<p>like what I said, there's NO 100% correct ranking, ranking can only be used to divide school into tiers/leagues................</p>
<p>League 1 is wharton, the next 15 schools are league 2, they are all extremely similar.......... the next 20 schools are league 3...etc. </p>
<p>my ranking:</p>
<p>Tier 1: Wharton
Tier 2 include: virginia, notre dame, mit, emory, michigan, stern, Texas, IU, Berkeley, GTown, Cornell, WashU, CMU, UNC, USC
Rest of top 50-- tier 3-4</p>
<p>happy?</p>
<p>Wharton VS. Emory: wharton wins
Emory VS. CMU: decision should be based on fit. the difference between them is too insignificant.</p>
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"In addition to surveying students, BusinessWeek polled nearly 2,000 corporate recruiters for companies that hire thousands of business majors each year. We asked them to tell us which programs turned out the best graduates and which schools have the most innovative curriculums and most effective career services"</p>
<p>their opinions were factored into the placement ranking as well.
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<p>Sorry hun, you don't know that. Here's what we do know (straight from the website):</p>
<p>"We also calculated letter grades on teaching quality, facilities and services, and *job placement based on the student survey. *"</p>
<p>There is no indication the the views of the corporate recruiters went into the job placement letter grade. </p>
<p>And I think the difference in recruitment between Wharton and Northeastern, Minnesota, and Emory is certainly significant enough to warrant a lower grade for the latter three. As it stands now, students concerned about job placement that follow your advice (i.e. look only at the job placement rating) would be seriously misled.</p>
<p>I support a tier system but you cannot group 10 colleges together like that. MIT is way different from IU for example. </p>
<p>This is besides the point.</p>
<p>My main point is that this ranking uses a bad methodology but if you want to rank colleges based on subjective things like "academic quality" which can never actually be judged then go ahead.</p>
<p>It does look like they tried to use objective measures for academic quality (faculty-student ratio, SAT scores, and three unnamed variables - wish they'd be a little more transparent about their methodology).</p>
<p>OMG, you guys are getting way too riled about rankings. I'm sure you can get a great business education from any of these top-ranked schools. Rankings are not the be all, end all. There's so much more to college than where it sits in the academic hierarchy. Much of what's great about college happens outside of the classroom, and no ranking can capture that.</p>
<p>People get all crazy when their school isn't ranked at its "rightful" place. You have to take all these rankings (BW, US News, etc.) with a grain of salt. Personally, it's nice that Business Week ranks my alma mater UVa at #2, but to be honest, I already know UVa is a stellar school (whether it's ranked #2, #12 or #22). I don't need an outside source to tell me so.</p>
<p>"As it stands now, students concerned about job placement that follow your advice (i.e. look only at the job placement rating) would be seriously misled."</p>
<h2>I agree to an extent, banana. :) there are several mistakes in this ranking.......... but as a whole, it's relatively reasonable.</h2>
<p>"if you want to rank colleges based on subjective things like "academic quality" which can never actually be judged then go ahead"</p>
<p>yea, bschool dean's assessments are not subjective, huh? I'd rather trust students and corporate recruiters than the bschool deans. Actually, I just scheduled a meet with McIntire's dean, and i'm gonna straightfowardly ask her how she can assess over 100+ business programs fairly.</p>
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<p>i'm tired of arguing over something like this, only 3 of us are arguing, lol.</p>
<p>hey, IU's placements for IB/big corporations are not bad. 50-60 investment bankers or so every year, with tons of people going into big 4 accounting firms and other big corporations.</p>
<p>im out, i've got Foxfield to go to tomorrow.</p>
<p>"Much of what's great about college happens outside of the classroom, and no ranking can capture that."</p>
<p>hell yeah baby!</p>
<p>Foxfield Horse Races! Untiltled, I'm so jealous! I wish I could go down to UVa this weekend. Foxfield is such a blast. I loved getting all dressed up and absolutely ignoring the horseraces (literally) happening around us because I would be having such a blast w/ my buddies. (For those who don't know - the track wraps around the spectators who are all dolled up and getting wasted visiting each other's tailgates). </p>
<p>The UVa Club of NY is even having a couple of parties down there. (Sigh). Next year perhaps.</p>
<p>"also, this ranking also takes into academic factors into account. Emory may have smaller classes, more dedicated professors, well-constructed curriculum.......etc. Even though NYU's placement is better, Emory can make it up by offering better business education."</p>
<p>....are you kidding me or what....</p>
<p>There is no way in hell Emory offers a better business school education than NYU. There is a reason 6000 people applied for one of 500 spots into NYU - Stern this year. Emory's business school just isn't as well known or as popular/prestigious. It is no way in the top 10. Neither is Notre Dame.</p>
<p>I don't think Emory is better than anything in USNews's top 10 business schools. Granted, it's decent, just nowhere near the top. </p>
<p>Tier 1- Wharton
Tier 2- virginia, mit, michigan, stern, Texas (honors only), IU (ibank workshop only), Berkeley, GTown, CMU</p>
<p>i'm DD-ing for Foxfield though, coz i'm only a pledge.........</p>
<p>so i'm actually gonna watch the horse race! boo!</p>
<p>yea, seeing sundresses and bowties all over the place is gonna be pretty tight.</p>
<p>Northeastern has great job placement because it has the best co-op program in the country. So the A+ job placement stat makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>Untilted, watching the horse races can be fun too. I actually watched a race (once...or maybe twice) out of the 4 years I went. I even put a bet on a couple horses, but didn't win anything though. (Perhaps picking a horse based on having a cool name isn't the best way of winning, but hey, what's a couple bucks?) Did you go to the Fall races as well? The Spring races are much better.</p>
<p>If you can, try to going to the alumni side of the field. The Alumni Association, the Darden School, and the Law School tents usually have great spreads of food, drinks, etc. Plus, the 2 sides are like night and day. The alumni side is very civil compared to the debauchery found in the student section. </p>
<p>Ah UVa, good times...good times...</p>