<p>biggest winner--Cornell
biggest losers--Duke, UChicago</p>
<p>what i mean from last year's data</p>
<p>thanks to the aid of a calculator...</p>
<p>nearly 50% of the student body came from the following schools:</p>
<p>Brown
Cornell
Columbia
Dartmouth
Harvard
Princeton
Penn
Yale
Duke
Stanford
UCB</p>
<p>it would be interesting to see the "per capita" numbers...</p>
<p>i.e. Brown and Berkeley both had 48, but Berekely is WAAAY bigger than Brown...</p>
<p>p.s., thoughtprocess - not to start an argument - but as I had mentioned previously, for pre-law (at the elite schools) Brown's #'s are generally slightly better than Duke's</p>
<p>"Brown and Berkeley both had 48, but Berekely is WAAAY bigger than Brown..."</p>
<p>yes ... but, Cal is also thousands of miles away. Alexandre posted some interesting data on another thread that showed how students are much more likely to stick to an area not far from where then went for undergrad. I would guess that Cal's numbers are far greater at Stanford Law than Brown's.</p>
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I would guess that Cal's numbers are far greater at Stanford Law than Brown's.
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<p>I'd love to see the Stanford Law numbers. On a per capita basis, I'd say "even money" that Brown is just as good.</p>
<p>There are very few from overseas. Seoul National U is surprisingly impressive. Only 3 from Oxford/Cambridge?</p>
<p>Top HLS Per Capita Numbers:</p>
<p>Top 20 National Universities
Rank Name Ratio
1 Harvard University 6.80
2 Yale University 11.69
3 Stanford University 20.67
4 Princeton University 22.76
5 Brown University 29.98
6 Dartmouth College 30.69
7 Columbia University 36.07
8 Rice University 40.11
9 Duke University 42.05
10 University of Pennsylvania 44.77
11 Georgetown University 48.47
12 Brandeis University 67.18
13 Cornell University 69.07
14 Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 71.14
15 University of California-Berkeley 85.44
16 Emory University 89.93
17 University of Chicago 92.54
18 Northwestern University 97.60
19 University of Notre Dame 98.30
20 University of California-Los Angeles 113.38</p>
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<p>Top 10 LACs
Rank Name Ratio
1 Amherst 22.68
2 Swarthmore 28.90
3 Williams 31.47
4 Pomona 42.56
5 Middlebury 92.17
6 Carleton 135.25
7 Wellesley 151.25
8 Bowdoin 159.33
9 Grinnell 193.50
10 Davidson 230.00</p>
<p>the_prestige...no arguing with facts man, Brown wins with HLS this year</p>
<p>But I still like using the entrances from 15 professional schools instead of just Harvard...either way</p>
<p>how are those per capita numbers calculated? It takes into account how many apply from a school vs how many accepted from that school right?</p>
<p>Duke took a hit!!!!!</p>
<p>it was at like 50-55 last yr</p>
<p>down to 41??????</p>
<p>wat's goin on?</p>
<p>hmmm....so Brandeis and Emory and Cal Berk are better schools than Northwestern and UChicago???? interesting to say the least</p>
<p>b151,</p>
<p>simple calculation of each school's class size (as per USNWR's entering freshman class size) divided by the number enrolled at HLS (as per HLS website link provided above) </p>
<p>for example:</p>
<ul>
<li>Harvard's class size is: 1,640</li>
<li>No. of Harvard graduates enrolling into HLS: 241</li>
<li>Harvard's ratio: (1,640 / 241) = 6.80</li>
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<p>"Duke took a hit!!!!!</p>
<p>it was at like 50-55 last yr</p>
<p>down to 41??????</p>
<p>wat's goin on?"</p>
<p>-I’m guessing more people chose to go to other schools that are as good as Harvard….</p>
<p>"hmmm....so Brandeis and Emory and Cal Berk are better schools than Northwestern and UChicago????"</p>
<p>-Better at having people go to Harvard Law school this year, yes.</p>
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simple calculation of each school's class size (as per USNWR's entering freshman class size) divided by the number enrolled at HLS (as per HLS website link provided above)
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I think your number for Berkeley may be off because a lot of people transfer in at the Junior year. Shouldn't it be based on the size of the senior class rather than the freshmen class?</p>
<p>Just a note: the ranking there is a combination of both popularity and acceptance rate, not just acceptance. HLS is may be popular with some student bodies (e.g. Williams) than at others (e.g. Chicago). Law school is also more popular with certain majors (such as history) than others (such as business or engineering).</p>
<p>thoughtprocess - just a small side note (which i mentioned earlier in one of our debates - i didn't have the backup data then), doesn't change the fact that Duke grads are very well represented at the elite grad schools indeed</p>
<p>simbajune55 - i don't recall saying XYZ was "better" than ABC college - the numbers are what they are - take from it what you will.</p>
<p>Aurelius,</p>
<p>Show me a uniform database (such as USNWR - which only breaks down incoming Freshman data) that breaks down senior class numbers and i'd be happy to use it.</p>
<p>(if I am understanding your comment correctly - i.e. that Cal's class numbers are underrestimated - only serves to hurt Cal... correct?)</p>
<p>Soembody told me today that student bodies should be adjusted down for the percentage of nursing students since they have high but not stellar scores (in general). I think nursing students are smart though. I could never study chemistry and all those sciences. But if thats really true, then Georgetown's class size should go down by about 10%, elevating its ratio. I think Penn has a substantial nursing school too.</p>
<p>again, i'm using a uniform standard ... it's not perfect - but then again i'm merely trying to give folks a "back of the envelope" calculation - i.e. i'm not writing a thesis on the matter.</p>
<p>The problem with Cal and Law School admit percentage compared with the graduating class is simply most of the school DOES NOT WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL. Very few of the very many Pre-Med students will study for the LSATs in addition to their MCATs. Also, engineers, hard science, math, architecture, environmental science, and business majors will apply to law school so the class size ratio can only hurt Cal and other large schools as the small amount of applicants compared with the whole university cripples them in this percentage rating.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>the same would be true for Cornell, though. Students in engineering, pre-med, pre-vet, architecuture, the hotel school, and most in the college of human ecology and the college of agriculture and life sciences have absolutely no intentions of going to law school, yet they are still counted and they consitute a considerable portion to the student body.</p>