Which data is correct? The one from a reputable scientific institution, or a news outlet (the media sensationalizing and misrepresenting data? No way)?
But yes, not every single medical facility requires vaccines. I think we both agree that this is a problem
@throckmorten I do understand herd immunity. What right do ADULTS have to jeopardizes he health of children? Why ADULTS are not required to be vaccinated? How does it fit the “herd immunity” narrative?
@californiaaa because it’s nearly impossible. We don’t have an unlimited supply of vaccines ready to go at a moments notice, nor an abundance of medical professionals qualified to give vaccines. But does that mean we should not require infants to be vaccinated? Of course not, such an all-or-nothing mentality solves nothing. Vaccinating infants solves the problem, albeit more slowly (as unvaccinated adults die off)
@californiaaa for 1 there are the vaccines that confer life long immunity. 2. they are not jeopardizing the health of the vast, vast majority of children by forcing the vaccinations. 3. as someone mentioned previously adults should be required to be vaccinated. The narrative of having a very prevalent immunity in a population starts with the population getting immunity not with the population all being at risk of disease.
“IS it fair? Nope.” But it’s far more fair than not requiring infants to be vaccinated. You’re acting as if required vaccinations are a bad thing, while simultaiously punching for required vaccines on adults. Doublethink much?
cslc76, I still don’t understand … why can’t we immunize adults? Why do we have to immunize all newborns against sexually transmitted diseases, if we do NOT require sex workers to be immunized? Should not we start with the most obvious high-risk populations (newborns are not among them).
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Most vaccines are not. Also, it really depends on the individual. The most reasonable way - test antibody titer every 10 years and give a booster shot, if titer is low.
@californiaaa newborns are the most at risk populations for many diseases. The question of why we can’t immunize adults has already been addressed multiple times if you care to actually read what people post. We have already also covered that all adults should be vaccinated.
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Polio, eradicated in USA, is not jeopardizing the health of any child in USA. Polio vaccine has side effects. Any reason for my kids to be vaccinated against polio?
- We currently live don't have the resources (millions of vaccines ready to go)
- We don't have the personnel (we have a major doctor shortage right now)
- There is zero chance congress would pass a bill requiring vaccinations or appropriating money for the necessary resources because, well, it's the United States congress.
It really is an unfortunate situation
@californiaaa there are many vaccines that last less than 10 years. The revaccinate ever blank years plan is not an idea I would oppose though it should not be one duration for all vaccines. Previously in this thread I mentioned how people would have to be revaccinated for some things at most 8 times in their life, I was not against revaccination then nor am I now.
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Why, why do you start with infants? Immunize adults … immunize target populations … immunize immigrants … immunize doctors … immunize day care providers.
And requiring sex workers to be immunized? Parts of Nevada are the only places in the U.S. where that profession is legal. Its hard to regulate the black market
@californiaaa Please just assume all your questions about specifically your kids have the answer of you and your kids do not individually matter, you are irrelevant to herd immunity. What is relevant is if these vaccinations were not mandatory a significant portion of the population would go unvaccinated and then things like polio would no longer be eradicated in the US.
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Millions of unvaccinated people immigrate into USA. Unvaccinated adults will never die off. Politicians are afraid to require mandatory immunizations of adults.
@californiaaa the reasons why infants are the target have already been said, stop bring it up you were wrong then and you are wrong now. As mentioned previously, everyone should be vaccinated (immigrants are people to).
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Sorry, I missed it. What are the reasons? 1) infants are an easy target 2) infants are the cheapest population to immunize. What else?
Of course they are afraid of requiring immunizations of adults; a large chunk of the U.S. population unfortunately has an aversion to anything supported by science. Hence why congress will never pass a law about it.
But should we keep existing laws requiring vaccinations? Absolutely. Vaccinating children does help tremendously to prevent diseases. So why should we not require them?
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When you would be able to vaccinate everyone (or at least half of the population), please let me know. Currently, only children are required to be vaccinated (adults are not). Children sacrifice their health (get side effects) for the benefit of everyone else. Simply, not fair.
Actually, vaccination was not mandatory in California until recently. In most states it is not mandatory.