<p>I recently read an AOL article that talked about the spillover of Ivy league applicants to the "second tier" colleges. </p>
<p>My question is with essentially the same applicant pool to the ivies and the new ivies...are the new ivies like NYU and the other schools they talk about about on the same level nowadays? Is the term second tier even fair for them?</p>
<p>Theyre not second tier. Theyre still first tier, non-ivies. The talk about the "New Ivies" pretty much boils down to these schools...
Boston College
Bowdoin College
Carnegie Mellon
Claremont Colleges: Harvey Mudd and Pomona
Colby College
Colgate University
Davidson College
Emory University
Kenyon College
Macalester College
University of Michigan
New York University
University of North Carolina
University of Notre Dame
Olin College of Engineering
Reed College
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Rice University
University of Rochester
Skidmore College
Tufts University
University of California, Los Angeles
Vanderbilt University
University of Virginia
Washington University in St. Louis </p>
<p>Thats according to facebook however :P</p>
<p>I dunno why Duke and Caltech arent on there..but w/e</p>
<p>That list omits a lot of excellent schools -- most notably, UC Berkeley, Middlebury, Oberlin, Carlton...</p>
<p>^ Probably b/c everyone already knows they're the ****.</p>
<p>Middlebury is mentioned in the beginning along with Amherst, Wes, Swat, Harvard, Yale, etc.</p>
<p>the schools such as duke, northwestern, middlebury, amherst, williams, etc. that are omitted are omitted because they are, and have been for some time, already considered ivy tier</p>
<p>The schools on that list are schools that people don't usually consider already elite</p>
<p>The Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Duke, NU, Georgetown, Chicago, JHU...already considered elite by business/academic/normal people, no need to mention them again.</p>
<p>The whole "new" Ivy thing definetely sells copies of the magazine, don't they do a similar article every year?</p>
<p>are we talking about "new ivies" in regards to sports?</p>
<p>What would be the "new big 12?"</p>
<p>I wouldn't call NYU a "new" Ivy because that pretty much degrades the label quite a bit. NYU just doesn't offer as much as the other schools on that list, except in their area of business.</p>
<p>I thought it has good math, film, and theater depts.</p>
<p>Why single out NYU when RPI and Kenyon are also on that list?</p>
<p>Well, I'd classify them in two ways: "Ivy-like" universities/institutes and LACs. I'd say for LACs the list would encompass: Amherst College, Williams College, Swarthmore College, Middlebury College, Pomona College, Claremont McKenna College, Vassar College, Davidson College, Oberlin College, Bowdoin College, Colgate University, Haverford College, Reed College, Wesleyan University.</p>
<p>On second thought, I guess these aren't exactly "new ivies" (or most of them aren't). But yeah, they're the LACs which I'd say come after the actual Ivies.</p>
<p>I think Middlebury, University of CHicago, SUNy Binghamton and Stanford should be on the list.</p>
<p>sorry for being the negative wiseass.... but SUNY Binghamton ???</p>
<p>I singled out NYU because that is the one school I know that shouldn't be on there. I don't know about some of the ones that brand_182 listed, so I can't make an honest judgment of them. I can of NYU, though.</p>
<p>I'm from NYC and I think Binghamton is a bit overrated. It's a very good school but I don't think it's on the same par with UChicago or Stanford. Binghamton is definitely a school with a good and respectable reputation in NY though, especially in certain fields.</p>
<p>nyu is most definitely a new ivy....not only is its undergraduate business program on par with the best of the ivy league schools, it offers amazing programs in areas that most of the ivies cannot compare (cinema, film, music, dance, etc., etc.) also it has strong overall academics and an amazing location</p>
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<p>uchicago, stanford, and middlebury are already considered ivy caliber (see below)</p>
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The schools on that list are schools that people don't usually consider already elite</p>
<p>The Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Duke, NU, Georgetown, Chicago, JHU...already considered elite by business/academic/normal people, no need to mention them again.
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<p>SUNY binghampton i would have to disagree with you on...</p>
<p>What about Wellesley? Where does it fit into the hierarchy--I would think that it would already be among the established, but I'm just wondering, since none of the top women's colleges has been mentioned so far...all of the other top 10 LAC's were mentioned!</p>
<p>Wonder when they will have "old ivies", "middle ivies" and "new ivies" classification.</p>
<p>I think before that happens, people will realize that "elite" and "Ivy" aren't the same thing. People just use Ivy as a term to entail all top schools these days. </p>
<p>These "new Ivies" mentioned in the list aren't really on par with the actual Ivies, whereas Stanford, MIT, Duke etc. are.</p>