New Residential Colleges on the Horizon?

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<p>"This year, Berkeley and Jonathan Edwards colleges -- with 45 and 39 annexed juniors, respectively -- have the largest annex populations, followed by Calhoun (30), Davenport (25), Saybrook (21), Branford (17) and Ezra Stiles (7), Meeske said. Juniors in Timothy Dwight, Morse and Davenport also live in out-of-college housing -- for TD, Rosenfeld Hall; for Morse, row houses near Payne Whitney Gymnasium; for Davenport, Harrison Court -- but Meeske said that these annexes, because they are near their respective colleges and are reserved exclusively for the college's use, fall into a different category than Old Campus annexation. This year, Pierson and Silliman did not annex any students because there was space in the colleges, and Trumbull did not annex any students because of the greater capacity of Swing Space, Meeske said."</p>

<p>that would be 184 official annexees and taking that average and applying it to morse and davenport, that would be an extra 46 giving a total of around 236. I am not including Rosenfeld Hall for TD because that is dormitory built for TD and it looks like a college and is right there, I think anyone who is in TD would agree. That would be around 4.5% of the student population is annexed. Many students also live off campus since housing is CHEAP and spacious, as I and my many friends did senior year (when I had first pick at college rooms as the room draw is by seniority).</p>

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<p>Despite the "motivations" of those who are "annexed" or live off campus, it remains true, does it not, that there is currently no ability to house more than 80-83% of undergrads in the colleges? </p>

<p>This is why I wonder whether at least a portion of the Prospect St project - when it takes place - will be to provide housing for current undergrads lacking it before housing is provided for an expanded student body.</p>

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<p>true, although you fail to take into account that most off campus students are seniors who have automatically secured college spots and choose to live off campus - and it was balanced pretty well with only about 5% of students forced to annex. The problem I hear is that the renovated deluxe colleges are attracting a much larger percentage of these seniors now and annexation will only get worse for juniors (I think sophomores have to live in college).</p>

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<p>Right. Until NEW housing is constructed, the same fraction of the student body will be living off campus - whether they want to or not - because there simply ISN'T an on-campus alternative. It would be surprising if the long-delayed renovations didn't attract SOME seniors back into the fold, but until a new college or three are built, this only means that an equal number of underclassmen will be displaced.</p>

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<p>Except that all the new colleges have increase capacity due to better space utilization. The major fear is that eventually no one will be attracted to the cheap housing alternatives in new haven.</p>

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<p>That is a rather odd "fear" to have, unless you are a slum lord!</p>

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<p>actually, off campus housing in new haven is great, and mostly affordable. There are of course the luxury apartments and such, but even the more modest students can live in fairly large houses for very cheap in nice neighborhoods. My senior year, we had a four bedroom house with a backyard (+grill) and a dog!</p>

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<p>Ah, but how sad that while grilling dogs (though not <em>that</em> dog) at your rented house off campus you were missing out on all the unique cameraderie of senior year dining with, sharing secrets with and otherwise rubbing shoulders on a 24-hr basis with, your "college" chums! What would Poster X say? Aren't you describing Ithaca, or Berkely-style living, rather than the special Yale experience? At Harvard, even the perceived benefits of a personal charcoal grill wouldn't convince many seniors to abandon Quincy House or Eliot House, I'd wager.</p>

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<p>I still ate in the dining hall at Branford, went to Masters teas, played IM's, studied in the library... and shared my secrets with "others". Again, you don't have to live in the college to be part of the college. Go to Cambridge or Oxford and you'll see that many students live off college grounds in college owned flats or houses. Or look at your own finals clubs. </p>

<p>Some people, like my friends, preferred having the ameneties of a house instead of living in a dorm room (I think its a matter of maturity actually). The dorm is pretty much the same no matter if you are in Branford or Elliot. The only difference is that the New Haven rental market is FAR cheaper than Cambridge and thus more student friendly. I'd wager the difference is really a matter of money and not a matter of superior living conditions at Harvard, which I have personally experienced to be exactly the same at Yale.</p>

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<p>More "student friendy" as in cheaper? To the extent that a lack of resources is driving Yalies off campus, the answer may be to increase the fraction of the class receiving financial aid to Princeton/Harvard levels, eh?</p>

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<p>financial aid is independent of living on or off campus. You can't deny that excessive rent in cambridge is prohibitive for college students no matter what financial aid they are receiving. </p>

<p>I can't understand how you can say a lack of resources is driving students off campus when all colleges are currently being renovated and new ones are in the works. I'd say the physical condition of Yale's living amenities are just about the best among HYP. </p>

<p>dude, you really need to give this a rest. your obsession with casting yale in a negative light in any way possible is pathological, as is your need to reply to every post. We disagree with the living situation at Yale and that's it. It's up to other posters/readers to decide whether they should listen to a former Yalie or an elder Harvard alum. This is my last post on this thread.</p>

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<p>Don't be silly. Its not "casting Yale in a negative light" at all. Get a grip. The colleges (at least after renovation) are, or will be, great. The pity is that Yale cannot, currently, make the experience available to all undergrads. The contempated construction of new colleges down the road to - in part - remedy this situation is to be commended.</p>

<p>See: "Housing Squeezes Yalies Out of College Walls" - April, 2006: <a href="http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=4702%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=4702&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>You're delusional.
You know how many times you have had to explain that you were not "casting Yale in a negative light," or Princeton, for that matter?
Seems that, at Harvard, a cowboy's work is never done...</p>

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<p>As a loyal "good news only" Yale alum and Columbia prof, you are entitled to your prejudices!</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=3000093&postcount=4%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=3000093&postcount=4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>And "as a Yale alum and Columbia prof," I can quote myself - and be quoted bt you - because I do not go around belittling Princeton, Harvard, Columbia, or any other fine institutions. As you will see if you had the time to do it, those 6,693 posts would amount to a "good news only" Harvard alum who spends an inordinate amount of time defending an institution that needs no defense, and attacking - yes, go ahead and deny it, as always - or "casting a negative light" on other institutions, directly or indirectly. CCers know how to read Byerly, even between the lies, I mean, lines. Sad case.</p>

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<p>Byerly, you asked for my opinion. I think those things are irrelevant because, unlike any of the other Ivies, all of Yale's dormitories, annexes and off campus housing areas are within a few blocks of each other. Yale's campus is very compact - even more compact than most small LACs. To anyone who has spent a few weekends at Yale, it is clear that everyone can walk around and stop by their friends rooms on their ways to various places, or while hopping from one party to another over the course of an evening. Even at 4am, students are still bumping into each other by the dozens on various slate-covered plazas that surround the central dormitory area, e.g., right outside the central post office on Old Campus, or in front of the Au Bon Pain. There are millions of things to do, certainly more than other Ivies (because of Yale's arts schools and other resources) but what REALLY sets Yale apart is that everything there is actually accessible to everyone. Kind of like comparing the vitality of a dense, European city like Paris, Barcelona or Rome with that of, say, Pheonix or Wichita, the campus social life at Yale far surpasses any of its rivals. </p>

<p>At an unnamed rival school to the north, several of the largest undergrad dormitory complexes are a remote, 15 minute walk from the most centrally-located undergrad dormitories (and it doesn't help that it's also a lot colder and snowier up there). These are the kinds of little things you don't notice until you actually experience a place in more depth, but they are the things that have by far the most impact on campus life. I hope Yale doesn't repeat these mistakes.</p>

<p>In addition to geography, of course, it also has to do with how the "residential colleges" are set up structurally speaking, i.e., in how they sponsor and lavish funding upon college-based undergraduate events, dances, theater programs, music, parties, etc.</p>

<p>Anyhow, you asked, and there it is!</p>

<p>If you want to really find out about these things, and I know I'm repeating myself for the 1000th time here, a 2-3 day overnight stay is essential.</p>

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<p>WOAH! Now a simple overnight stay won't do it, but you need a "two or three" night stay? If that was the case, most kids interested in elites would need to take two months off and get a $10,000 grant for their college search!</p>

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<p>Two or three is best, since it lets you sample both academic life during the week as well as campus social life during a Thursday, Friday or Saturday. Of course, you can't do it everywhere, but certainly a few before you start applying and then a few when you get your choices in April can be a huge help.</p>

<p>The investment is worthwhile!</p>