<p>although these averages may seem low, it doesn't really matter. the difference between an 800 and a 740 on the math SAT is three problems. colleges dont really care if you got three problems out of 100(probably mistakingly) wrong.</p>
<p>These scores arent low at all. We have to keep in mine that a 1400 on the Old SAT is equivalent to a 2100 on the New SAT. Kids on this website are the ones that would probably get into most of their preferred schools, but yet are still extremely paranoid with a 2300 on the New SAT.</p>
<p>"I was just on the Princeton Review web site and didn't see these. I even went to several schools such as Syracuse. Can someone show me where on Princeton Review I can find this info?"</p>
<p>The list is supposedly done, they're just updating the website. When I try to get the full list, I get this message:</p>
<p>"The 2006 rankings are... almost ready!
Thanks for checking in, but we're not revealing a thing until later this summer. So, if you want to be the first in your 'hood to find out which schools made our lists, check back often. We've even changed the name of the book. The new edition is called The Best 361 Colleges. There'll be lots of surprises this year... we can hardly wait to show them to you!"</p>
<p>I would assume that they would have the averages in the rankings.</p>
<p>UVA THE BEST PUBLIC...Bam take that Berkeley!</p>
<p>Me and a group of friends once heard that UVA was the best public school, we all agreed it was the best joke we had heard that night...</p>
<p>pretty sad night i must say</p>
<p>What? That's really low. According to this if I add up my old SAT score with my writing score from the SAT II, I could be at Harvard.</p>
<p>THIS ISN'T FAIR haha...Why couldn't I have taken the new SAT.</p>
<p>Semiserious: actually 50% above and 50% below is only for the median. this is the average (mean) which is affected by outliers and thus not necessarily 50% above and 50% below. </p>
<p>I COULD BE AT HARVARD WITH MY OLD SCORES--AAAAAH!!!!</p>
<p>These averages are too premature to have any sort of validity.
The averages themselves have pretty much been around these. But, these are averages, and many people will score higher than those averages. If people on CC are getting 2300s,even noting that they are the top 1% of the nation, I'm sure others are too.</p>
<p>The article I found these scores in was pretty vague, so it's possible that these are the median scores rather than the averages. The full list is coming out soon so I guess we'll find out then.</p>
<p>uvajoe do you realize that statistically there is 0 difference in the scores of Berkeley and UVA?</p>
<p>these are estimated averages. emphasis on that last word.</p>
<p>typically we see the 25-75 percentile numbers, which are generally far more representative of the quality of students you're going to be encountering at a given university.</p>
<p>the elite colleges' SAT avgs are heavily skewed by the presence of athletes, legacies and URMs who tend to have considerably lower scores. think about it: for every athlete who scored, say 1800 (and there will be many with worse scores than a 600 avg), there must exist three 2400s (or nine 2300s) to average out to 2250.</p>
<p>if you want to have a decent shot at a college and you're not URM/legacy/athlete, you should be looking at scoring above the 75th percentile. for schools like caltech and harvard, that number is excruciatingly close to 2400.</p>
<p>BYUL is telling the truth. </p>
<p>Although these numbers are not proven accurate, or proven to be averages or medians, they do show just how high you have to score to be at these schools.</p>
<p>Imagine like Byul said, for every one extremely poor,athelete, legacies, and urms, all which tend to score in the 1800-2000 range there have to be 3 perfect, or 9 near perfect kids. To balance a 1840 or 2050 you need several 2300's or 24's to get an average close to caltechs and harvards.</p>
<p>If you arent extremely poor, a urm, an athelete, a legacy, or have some really international level accomplishments, then you definately need to be damn near perfect to get into caltech, harv, yale, mit...</p>
<p>3.9+, 2350+, Great EC, Great Essay, Great Interview - THE MAGIC 5</p>
<p>Just remeber that when you honestly look at which institution to use your valuble ED on.</p>
<p>Give me a break, I really don't think there are THAT many althetes/legacies/URMs getting into Harvard with 1840s.</p>
<p>it's the only way for the SAT I to avg down to 2250. you'd be shocked by how many people at Harvard do indeed have perfect SAT I's.</p>
<p>besides, the 75th percentile number for Caltech was, i believe, 1580 before the revision. Harvard's was something like 1540.</p>
<p>semiserous, 25% of the students scored below 2100. I assume most of these are athleties/legacies/URMs. It is not impossible to believe that there are some low scorers that suck down the avgs just as byul said.</p>
<p>Byul, the 75% at Harvard has been hovering around 1580 as well.</p>
<p>you're probably right; i haven't checked it since 2003, when i applied to colleges. </p>
<p>regardless, in the past caltech was the only school to have an avg SAT I above 1500. it seems that with the new SAT, Harvard has caught up considerably, though it may have something to do with the quality of writing coming from caltech students.</p>
<p>I checked the article again, it said that Princeton Review estimated the 25th-75th percentile ranges and the NY Times just found the median of the 3 numbers. </p>
<p>So those #'s are estimated median scores, not estimated average scores. I'd imagine they'd be pretty similar though. </p>
<p>However, it does list the 25th-75th ranges for all 17 schools so if you want me to post those for all 17 schools, I will.</p>
<p>Here are a few of the 25th-75th percentile ranges. I can do the rest later.</p>
<p>m=math, r=reading, w=writing</p>
<p>CalTech</p>
<p>M: 750-800
R: 700-770
W: 700-740</p>
<p>Harvard</p>
<p>M: 700-790
R: 700-800
W: 700-760</p>
<p>MIT</p>
<p>M: 730-800
R: 680-760
W: 680-740</p>
<p>Don't the engineering schools usually have the higher averages?
Or, maybe not, because the new sat is more verbal now?</p>
<p>"Me and a group of friends once heard that UVA was the best public school, we all agreed it was the best joke we had heard that night..."</p>
<p>I will not comment.</p>
<p>"uvajoe do you realize that statistically there is 0 difference in the scores of Berkeley and UVA?"</p>
<p>yea, im just joking around.</p>