<p>The</a> Top 5 Greater Boston Universities with Students the Job Market Actually Wants | BostInno</p>
<p>REasonable list I’d say. Ecept -
- Sort of funny Michigan state beats out Michigan.
- Is Georgia Tech on here? It must be but I am missing it I think. My eyes aren’t that great.
- Because if the worldwide orientation it misses some of the smaller specialty schools and LACs - Harvey Mudd, etc. (Unless I just missed those too.)</p>
<p>There are so many U.S. schools ahead of UCSF (#121)?</p>
<p>ASU, Ohio State, Michigan St, BYU, BC, UNC, UVa, … LOL.</p>
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It doesn’t even make sense to have UCSF on there since it’s a specialized university (only health related degrees - mostly grad degrees).</p>
<p>Maybe I’ll make up a few rankings lists and see if I can peddle them to magazines.</p>
<p>Personally I would have put UCSD above UCSF and replace Texas A&M by UT-Austin, putting A&M where UCSD stands now.</p>
<p>The list was based on online surveys of 2,500 recruiters and 2,200 international chief executives and business managers from top companies in 20 countries, surveyed between mid May and early June 2012. Recruiters were asked to rank universities based on the employability of their graduates. </p>
<p>It makes sense that schools with higher numbers of International students might rank higher in the survey, regardless of their “prestige” and reputation here in the US. It is interesting to see how the rankings match up with the percentage of international students.</p>
<p>[Most</a> International Students | Rankings | Top National Universities | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international]Most”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/most-international)</p>
<p>Percentage of School’s Total Enrollment/Ranking International/Ranking US Universities</p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon 17%/82nd/21st</p>
<p>Purdue University 15%/97th/29th</p>
<p>University of Illinois 13%/141st/48th</p>
<p>Boston University 12%/17th/7th</p>
<p>California Institute of Technology 12%/19th/8th</p>
<p>University of Southern California 12%/72nd/20th</p>
<p>Brandeis 12%/118th/34th</p>
<p>Harvard University 11%/1st/1st</p>
<p>Princeton 11%/8th/6th</p>
<p>Brown University 11%/22nd/10th</p>
<p>Columbia University 11%/7th/5th</p>
<p>University of Pennsylvania 11%/39th/14th</p>
<p>Emory 11%/131st/42nd</p>
<p>Yale 10%/2nd/2nd</p>
<p>MIT 10%/6th/4th</p>
<p>New York University 10%/37th/13th</p>
<p>Rice 10%/132nd/43rd</p>
<p>University of Chicago 9%/21st/9th</p>
<p>University of Cal Berkeley 9%/25th/11th</p>
<p>John Hopkins University 9%/59th/17th</p>
<p>Cornell University 9%/87th/23rd</p>
<p>Michigan State University 9%/92nd/28th</p>
<p>University of Cal San Diego 9%/128th/41st</p>
<p>Stanford University 8%/5th/3rd</p>
<p>Duke University 8%/26th/12th</p>
<p>Georgetown University 8%/68th/19th</p>
<p>University of Minnesota 8%/144th/51st</p>
<p>How do they line up based on percentage of international students? (Was going to stop at top 25, but included all listed at 8% for 27)</p>
<p>Hey fishymom, as a BU grad, I appreciate your promoting the school to 7th in the US, but I think according to US News, it ranks 51st. 
But I am pleasantly surprised it made the New York Times top 20! (Also very surprised it is that much ahead of Northeastern in NYT because of Northeastern’s coop program and the higher international enrollment – 14%. There are a lot of students from Asia at Northeastern.)</p>
<p>As for earlier comments about UCSF, there are no undergrads there, and it is pretty small compared to other UCs (<1000 graduates yearly)
<a href=“http://oir.ucsf.edu/sites/oir.ucsf.edu/files/DE3_1_DegsGrantedByDegLevAndProg.pdf[/url]”>http://oir.ucsf.edu/sites/oir.ucsf.edu/files/DE3_1_DegsGrantedByDegLevAndProg.pdf</a> In the US, UCSF ranks as #5 among medical schools according to US News.</p>
<p>Having schools like Harvard and Yale high on the list doesn’t make much sense to me, given that the most employable degrees are engineering degrees.</p>
<p>What positions are these recruiters seeking to fill that the school means more than the major?</p>
<p>Seems to me that it must be a small pool of jobs, like investment banking, looking for econ majors from top schools.</p>
<p>Fishymom I think you got it wrong. Obviously these recruiters and execs were either from the East Coast and under the influence of an “ east coast bias” or are from Asia and have no idea about the schools in the United States. How else could Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT and Columbia all be ranked in the top 10. Seriously, thanks for posting this. I think it’s interesting to see how our schools stack up in the world.</p>
<p>LBowie, I must have deleted the line in my post that stated there were 52 US universities on the list of 150 all universities. The ranking of 7th I was referring to was for US universities within the list of all universities linked in the 1st post.</p>
<p>Fendrock, I was wondering the same thing. I do know several grads who have taken overseas jobs in finance and accounting, so maybe it is in those fields. As far as engineering, my son graduated with an engineering degree in December. He is one of only two in his graduating class with a full time job in his field.</p>
<p>Here’s a link to the original article: <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/world/asia/asian-schools-jump-in-rank.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/world/asia/asian-schools-jump-in-rank.html</a> The survey itself is being released “exclusively” in the International Herald Tribune (which is apparently the international version of the NYT).</p>
<p>Methodology:</p>
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<p>I haven’t been able to find the survey itself online. I’d really like to know more about the questions asked and the respondants–I’m wondering why Tufts doesn’t show up on the list.</p>
<p>Wondering how many responders confused “a university in Boston” with Boston University. </p>
<p>Just like the US News infamous PA survey, some seem to think that a “I have no idea” is a bad response, and one that is a lot worse than guessing with the help of Google Maps.</p>
<p>Another worthless survey!</p>
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<p>Maybe these recruiters are just used to hearing Harvard grads tell acquaintances they attended “a university in Boston.”</p>
<p>Here’s the survey: </p>
<p>[Global</a> Companies Rank Universities - NYTimes.com](<a href=“Global Companies Rank Universities - NYTimes.com”>Global Companies Rank Universities - NYTimes.com)</p>
<p>I understand that employers would be more familiar with larger universities but it’s a shame that no lacs are on the list.</p>
<p>That’s actually not the survey–it’s just the results. Nothing about how the survey was conducted, who took part, what questions were asked. Nothing about the results of what the first wave responders consider an “ideal new graduate.” Nothing about what ten countries are “deemed to be active employers.”</p>
<p>Boston University has a very large number of international students, (currently over 6000) as it has for decades. This is more than any other university ranked ahead of it in these listings.</p>
<p>Michigan State has the vet school, the journalism school, a packaging program and other programs that perhaps lead more directly to jobs. (in response to post 2).</p>
<p>Regarding the “recruiters”…large global company recruiting teams tend to hit the big universities and are recruiting for specific jobs…they typically don’t “recruit” at small liberal arts colleges.</p>
<p>Michigan State, with 9% of its 36,675 students being international, has the third highest number of international students. The University of Michigan has fewer students and a lower percent international.</p>
<p>I see these studies all the time, and I think a lot of it has to do with who they show it to, who the recruiters are and so forth. If the recruiting firms recruit for investment banks and the like, then the results make sense, because in those kind of jobs where you go to school matters a great deal, and if a lot of them are in Asia, where the school’s name means a lot more then the quality of the education (literally where you go determines your path), then yep, these figures make sense. Obviously, having the name of a Harvard or Yale on your cv for first jobs can help get a foot in the door, but employability comes down to a lot more then where you went to school, other then in certain fields or companies. </p>
<p>There is a rough analogy to this, if you went to certain countries in Asia and asked them what music school to go to, a large percentage of them would tell you that Juilliard is the only place to go, to them the place has a magical name, if you asked people in music about it, they would ask you what instrument you were on, your area of specialty, and they would list a number of top programs <em>shrug</em>. Things like investment banking are inbred, they hire ivy league/top 15 programs because that is where they were recruited from, In Asia, they recruit from ‘prestige’ schools because they likely went there. </p>
<p>In terms of broader employment, I would look at the quality of the teaching, I would look at specific programs, at things like the ability to get internships, of the program being known. Put it this way, if you were in tech, you come out of MIT or Caltech they would prob give more weight to the school then if you came out of one of the other schools in that list. Likewise, in many places, you can be at a disadvantage coming out of an ivy like school, because employers who didn’t go there (the bulk of people out there) often assume kids coming out of ivy schools are stuck up about the fact, think the world owes them a favor, or won’t work as hard as a kid who came from more modest backgrounds (and there actually are some grains of truth in the latter). So if you wanted to go work at CSFB (Credit Suisse First Boston) or UBS as an investment banker, having that true blue ivy diploma would be a major hashmark, if you were hiring into a tech program it may not hold much weight <em>shrug</em>. </p>
<p>Reminds me of when USNR published rankings of schools of music, people who know music programs had a couple of laughs, because the ranking methodology didn’t mean anything.</p>
<p>Even in the U.S. there’s often a certain amount of brand confusion between Michigan and Michigan State. That’s especially pronounced in international surveys. It tends to happen with other similarly named schools as well–the University of Illinois-Chicago sometimes comes out ahead of the University of Illinois-Urbana/Champaign in these kinds of international surveys, because people have heard of the University of Illinois and they’ve heard of Chicago and they assume the “good” Illinois must be in the state’s most important city. I’ve also seen international surveys where UMass-Amherst comes out ahead of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, especially when the latter is spelled out in full, because the 3-letter “MIT” is a more powerful brand than the full name of the place. </p>
<p>More generally, schools with the most famous places in their names–Boston University, New York University, the University of Chicago, the University of California - Los Angeles–tend to do very well in international surveys.</p>
<p>Garbage in, garbage out.</p>