<p>I didn’t see a thread on this college in my forum search…if there is, please bump it and sorry!</p>
<p>I’ve heard Tisch is “easy” to audition into if you’ve got the grades needed for meeting University requirements. I’ve heard they like to take “belters”.
is either comment true?</p>
<p>I certainly don't think Tisch is easy to audition into....it's just that they take such a large incoming class compared to others so it may seem that way. I'm sure soozievt will have more specific info on this. The thing is they do audition EVERYONE though, as compared to Michigan who narrows through the list first and then allows auditions. So, it may seem that 1000 may audition (just a number I threw out there), but many of those don't even have the academic qualifications to even get accepted to NYU so it's hard to give acurate percentages.</p>
<p>My d does have a few friends going to NYU (Tisch). A couple of them got accepted to other reputable top schools as well but then she does know a couple of people didn't get in anywhere else and got into Cap21. They are certainly still talented kids though...taking more kids must have certainly helped in their favor. I would never think of Tisch as an easy in or a "safety" school. It is definitely highly competitive!</p>
<p>And highly expensive! That's why I'm not auditioning there; there's no way I could afford that, even with a few good scholarships!</p>
<p>Though god knows I'd LOVE to go to school in New York...</p>
<p>Soozievt will be able to give you more exact figures, I'm sure, since her D auditioned just last year for CAP21 but generally the annual figures for Tisch are in this range:</p>
<p>3000 audition in total
1500 specify CAP21 as first choice studio
80 are accepted to enroll a class of approximately 65 in CAP21</p>
<p>Overall, Tisch enrolls approximately 300 freshmen in drama, divided between its eight primary studios which includes one for the tech track.</p>
<p>First, I will start with the numbers. When we visited Tisch over 1 1/2 years ago, an info. session had stated that 2500 kids auditioned for Tisch and of those 1000 specified CAP21 (the only MT studio). CAP accepted 80 to yield 64. </p>
<p>However, the information my husband heard just a few weeks ago at a presenation at CAP, he was told that of those who auditioned for Tisch, 1500 auditioned wanting to be in CAP21, and there are 80 CAP freshmen this year but normally there are 65. I do not know if more accepted the offer this year or what. So, these numbers correlate with what AlwaysAMom posted. </p>
<p>As AlwaysAMom said, there are 300 freshmen in drama at Tisch and about 65-80 of those are in CAP21 studio and the rest are in the other 7 studios which are primarily acting studios. As you can see, a significant percentage of the 3000 who audition are wanting CAP. The admit rate into CAP is therefore, something around 6% or so. The admit rate for an acting studio is higher, though still very selective. It is easier to get into one of the 7 acting studios as there are more slots but the same number of kids vying for them as for the much fewer MT slots. Still, I can't think of anyone who would call being admitted to Tisch "easy"! </p>
<p>I believe being admitted to CAP is difficult and my kid surely did not count on getting into any of these BFA programs on her list who accept 5-10% of those who audition. Those are tough odds. Add to that for Tisch, that 50% of your admissions decision is academic and it is a college that academically is in the 25-28% admit rate range, not so easy either. But it is not as if you get into CAP just because you have academics. There are way more kids who have the academic stats and the talent than they can take. </p>
<p>I believe Kaysmom's examples of some kids she knows who didn't get in elswhere but got into CAP. And by the same token, I know kids who got into CCM, UMich, BU (BFA acting), BOCO, Emerson, but not into CAP. At this level of selectivity, there is a bit of a crapshoot which ones will take you. You have to have the talent and all that stuff but even then it can go one way or another. </p>
<p>There was only one other kid from our HS who tried to get into BFA in MT besides my D. She applied ED to Tisch for CAP. She was a straight A student and ranked second in the class. She did not get in. She got into Emerson and is attending. My D got into CAP but while accepted to Emerson, she did not get into Emerson's BFA. So, you can't use the inferences/assumptions made at the start of this thread. My D knows some EXCELLENT students with all the right academic qualifications and who are some of the most talented theater kids she knows who did not get into CAP. I know they had what it took but when the admit rate is this low, it can mean that you get into some programs but not others. How else do you explain that someone got into CCM but not Syracuse? I know someone at UMich who did not get into Syracuse. Someone at UMich who did not get into Emerson or Penn State. </p>
<p>Anyway, not only is it not easy to get into CAP but surely it is not a case of if you have the academics but not the talent, you're in. I know far too many top academically qualified kids who still did not get in. What IS true is that academics DO count and so someone who merely can sing and act but has poor academics, will not get into Tisch. </p>
<p>The idea that they like "belters"...I have never heard of. Most schools hope you will show them a variety of skills.....both legit singing and belting. Both skills are valued in this field. My daughter's roomie who is in CAP, who I know quite well from our state, is more legit soprano than a belter. Also, while my D sang both legit and belt before entering Tisch, will not be working on her belt at all during her freshman year, so it is not like they value the belt more at all. In fact, just last night she was telling me of how much she learned and improved on her high soprano just in yesterday's class alone based on some techniques she was taught. So, they definitely teach legit, not simply belting. And you really need to be able to do both in this field to have versaltility.</p>
<p>The girl I mentioned from home who did not get in, was not only a top student academically but she is more of a belter even too. </p>
<p>You'd be making a mistake to put Tisch/CAP into a match or safety pile on your college list. We viewed the BFA programs on my D 's list which all had low admit rates, like CAP, as Reaches, that could not be counted upon. There are some schools with low admit rates that may be "easier" though not "easy" to get into that are not what are often referred to as the "top programs". So, at some of those schools, even if a top talented kid applies and is admitted, he/she MAY opt to go to a top program he/she was also admitted to and thus not take the slot in that class and then those kinds of kids open up the slots at some excellent BFA programs to kids just one step below who may not have gotten into a so called top tier MT program. So, the admit rate at certain BFA programs may also be low but may not be as hard to get into as some others where there are top kids vying for the spots. By most peoples' estimates, Tisch not only is a school with a low admit rate in the single digits but also is in a certain category of reputation of MT programs and therefore some of the best kids in the country are applying so the applicant pool is quite strong in the first place. It is not one to count on. We surely did not. My daughter is even stunned at some super talented kids she knows who are in top programs who did not get into CAP and so there is an element of a crapshoot thing. You have to have the academics and the talent but you still can be rejected at some of these programs, and CAP is just one where you can state that. "Easy to get in" just does not fit no matter how talented you are.</p>
<p>I will just chime in here. For what it's worth, (and there are ALOT of different stories in the Naked City). </p>
<p>Here's my opinion</p>
<p>I have, time and again, had acting student get into TISCH who simply had mediocre talent, but had a solid audition and excellent grades and test scores.
Others of mine with more talent in their little finger, but lower grades and test scores got rejected. That tells me something worth considering when I counsel my students each year. </p>
<p>Tisch acting studios take a very large number of students. Most are MT rejects, not to sound harsh, but that was exactly told me by a Tisch advisor, and stated in Susan's post above. It may even be a higher percentage than she stated</p>
<p>Just food for thought. Grades are a big consideration.</p>
<p>xxx,Mary Anna</p>
<p>Mary Anna, when you talk of how many students a program takes, what is pertinent is the admit rate. A program may be larger than another program. But if 1500 kids are vying for acting studios, plus you have some of the 1500 vying for CAP who would accept an acting studio as a second choice, and there are about 220 freshmen in acting, it is still a low rate of acceptance. I wasn't saying that the acting studios take a large number so much as saying that the rate of admission to acting was still very selective but the PERCENTAGE of those admitted was merely higher than for MT studio. I don't know the exact admit rate for acting but it isn't over 20%. It simply is better odds than the 6% or so for MT. Definitely not to be counted upon. </p>
<p>But what I truly wish to clarify is that I do not totally agree at all with the notion that "most (in the acting studios) are MT rejects". MANY students audition at Tisch for acting. Of the 3000 who audition, only 1500 specify CAP as a first choice. So many kids in acting studios are not MT rejects but are kids who WANTED acting. My D's boyfriend, for starters, only applied for acting and got his first choice studio, Stella. AlwaysAMom's D wanted acting and is in Atlantic. I know many kids who are friends of my D's who WANTED acting studios, not CAP. I do know some kids who applied to CAP and got an acting studio but most that I know when that happened, opted not to attend as they wanted MT and had other top program options. But some who are in acting, did want MT. That is true at a lot of schools. I met kids at CMU and Syracuse who wanted MT but got acting. But many who are in acting programs are NOT MT rejects but merely wanted acting in the first place. </p>
<p>The thing you are pointing out before that, I would agree that you can't get into Tisch without also making the "grade" academically. So talent alone won't get you in. But academics alone won't get you in either. You have to have both. For my kid, it was an attractive school for various reasons but along this line, she liked that the academics were selective as she cares about challenging learning environments and is a very good student. Tisch really cares about educating the students to be thinkers, not just performers. So the strength of good academics with a BFA program is appealing to some kids. </p>
<p>But I would not want someone to think that as long as they had good academics, this school might work out. You do have to have that but the artistic review also matters as much. If it were mostly academics and just mediocre talent, then some who were admitted here would not also have been admitted to other good MT programs and they were. </p>
<p>In any case, I want to clarify that my post never stated or was meant to imply that the acting studios are made up mostly of MT rejects. I only said that there were more slots in acting studios and the admit rate was better odds than the one MT studio. </p>
<p>You are right that academics count here whereas at SOME BFA programs, it is more about being over a certain academic "bar" which is not set that high (I only said "some" because it is not true at places like UMich). At Tisch, academics count 50%, no more. It is about having both academics and doing well in the audition. In that respect, yes, it does differ from some schools where academics are not 50% of the decision and where the academic "bar" is not set as high.
Susan</p>
<p>MaryAnna, I have to disagree with your statement that most are MT rejects. That's simply not true. I don't see where in Susan's post she said that. Even if half of the kids who audition each year specify CAP21 as their first choice studio, that doesn't mean that the entire, or even most of, group who are accepted into Tisch are from that 'half'. In fact, it isn't the case at all. I'm not sure who the Tisch 'advisor' was who told you that but that is just not an accurate statement. I know many of the individuals who are in the Tisch administration, as well as two faculty members who do the bulk of the auditions, and have a family member who used to work there. I also have a D who is a junior so I've met many kids currently studying at Tisch. None of her current studiomates auditioned for CAP21. Neither did the majority in her year in any other non-CAP studio. While it's true that some kids who specify CAP21 as their first choice, end up placed in another studio (usually PH or Adler), it's not the majority. </p>
<p>It also shouldn't be a surprise that the students with lower grades and test scores don't do as well at getting accepted to Tisch. They make it very clear that the academic and artistic reviews are equally weighted.</p>
<p>I only know of a few students that auditioned for Cap 21. (The cost of the program keeps alot of students from even auditioning.) But I do agree that academics are VERY important for admission into the program. I was very surprised that a super talented student (who is now in a Broadway show) was not admitted into the program due to test scores. And I also know of a student with great test scores but not anywhere near the same caliber of natural talent (but perhaps the school was seeing future potential) that WAS admitted into the Cap 21 program. There are many variables that go into this process. I would suggest to students that are interested in this program spend time preparing for their SAT/ACT tests.</p>
<p>Mary Anna,
I seem to remember an advice columnist (Ann Landers?, Abby?) who said, regarding passing along second hand information, "ask yourself 'is it true, is it kind, and is it necessary." I wonder if you could have shared your opinion without passing along an obviously insensitive observation describing such a high percentage of auditioners as "rejects." From all I've been able to glean from my son's experiences at Tisch, students were selected and assigned to studios based upon the mostly substantial skills they possessed. There is a great deal of subjectivity in this business. Parents, adcoms, and even coaches are not immune. I do believe that a student who lacks strong academics would not survive the demands at NYU.</p>
<p>I was accepted in NYU academically but not for MT, just for the record.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as heralded and lauded as their MT and Acting programs are, I have to say I was seriously unimpressed with the way they conducted their auditions - and I have to assume this has changed since 1999, considering how enthusiastic everyone is, but this is what happened to me.</p>
<p>I auditioned in a little black room in front of ONE person, an older man. There was no accompanist (this was IN New York, on a scheduled ED audition day) and we had to provide a taped accompaniment. NYU was the only school that required taped accompaniment for an in-person on-campus audition, and I was a little confused by that, considering how much money they have and how many resources. I just could help but think - why can't they get a piano and accompanist for their MT auditions? I know, I know, a taped accompaniment has its benefits, but I personally prefer a live accompanist. It just gives your audition more of the feeling of an actual performance when you have live music, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Anyway, I did my monologue(s) and songs (can't remember how many monologues they required, too long ago). The whole audition took 4 minutes. There was no Q&A session, no tour of the facilities, no dance audition, no introductions to current students, NOTHING. And I couldn't understand how such a huge respected program could send just ONE GUY to see MT auditions. One guy!</p>
<p>The whole experience made me doubt the program itself, and I was just really disappointed. NYU was my first choice, but the audition felt so impersonal.</p>
<p>ToTheStage-NYU also has MTthrough the Steinhardt School which is a program separate from Tisch. My D is applying there ED. First you have to pass an academic screen in order to be approved for an audition. That is the stage we are at now. She put her apllication in last week and we were told that she should hear something by next week so the process is pretty fast. This program is much smaller than Cap 21. Hope this helps. By the way, Is anyone else out there applying Ed for Steinhardt? My D did the summer program there and one of the boys who was there with her is also applying ED and he was told that his showcase performance could be used as his audition. Lucky him!</p>
<p>my friend actually applied to Steinhardt a while ago...I think she's auditioning soon. From what I hear it's more classically based...not sure that's what I really want.</p>
<p>does anyone know if you can audition for steinhardt, tisch and the acting studios at the same time?</p>
<p>No, you have choose Steinhardt OR Tisch/studios.</p>
<p>Hello mommd,</p>
<p>My d is also applying for Steinhardt. We are waiting for the approval to audition. Did you speak to someone personally who informed you that you would hear in a few weeks? The waiting is so hard.</p>
<p>Lexismom</p>
<p>ToTheStage & Lexismom,
Best of luck regarding Steinhardt. My son, while in h.s., did some summer stock theater with students from both Steinhardt & CAP (directed by Steinhardt faculty, John Simpkins). He had a great time, found John very supportive, and truly enjoyed the other actors.</p>
<p>For those of you applying to Steinhardt - Don't you still have the possibility of auditioning on the NYU "Open Audition" days in November? There were two of them as I recall. That's what my D did two years ago. That way you don't have to wait for an "invite." And I was also told that an advantage to going on Open Audition days is that if you have a dynamite audition, the faculty may go to bat for you academically. My D was accepted to Steinhardt and did have academic stats within NYU parameters but I remember thinking it was a good deal easier to go on an open day. In our case, it was the first audition my D had. We chose it that way because the focus at Steinhardt is vocal (you get a BM with a concentration in either VP or MT) and my Dhas a lot of confidence in her voice. It felt great for her to lead from her strength in a first audition.</p>
<p>For the poster who wondered if Steinhardt is more classically based I would say no it isn't - there is both MT and VP - but there is perhaps more crossover than in many other programs. I think that the dance and acting components are perhaps "thinner" than at some other places. But you get great musical training and if you are interested in VP as well, there is great cooperation between the concentrations.</p>
<p>theatermom:</p>
<p>Thank you for the information regarding November open date auditions. Unfortunately, my d is already booked for a previously scheduled college audition and also involved in scholarship competitions. It would have been nice to be able to go to the open audition. D had application in for a while hoping to hear back early so she would know what schools she should audition for on what dates. Now, because of scheduled college auditions and scholarship competition (good news is she is in second round of many competitions) she only has 2/25 left for an open audition date. Of coarse she could always decide not to audition some where in order to get a Steinhardt date.</p>
<p>Lexismom,</p>
<p>You're most welcome! I know that many of these auditions involve much travel for you so it is even more difficult at times. Sounds as though she is well on her way. Break a leg!</p>
<p>Sorry I am so confused: do both steinhardt and tisch programs offer permission to audition pending academic approval, or is that just for ED? I ask because my D has already signed up for an audition for tisch (in Feb., so obviously not ED), and of course we have had to arrange airfare, etc. her gpa is very high, but her test scores can go either way for her, so i am wondering if we should be expecting a "yes, come" or a "dont bother" later in the year well after all our flights have been set? can anyone clear that up for me? Many thanks.</p>