<p>Although New Zealand (had fostered) music for decades, it was not until the 1980s (when) musicians began (to reach) an international audience. (No Error)</p>
<p>People have been arguing that "when" should be "that," and "had" should be "has" but I think you all are overlooking another option - no error.</p>
<p>The phrase "It was not until x that" is correct," but when x is a time (the 1980s) "when" is perfectly appropriate. When indicates time. There is no reason that "when" is wrong. There is no fragment created either. </p>
<p>The argument for "had" is pretty weak tbh, so yeah. </p>
<p>I agree with the OP…got an 800 W last time…“when” works because it refers to the 1980s and there’s no reason for “had fostered” to be wrong because everything is still gramatically correct. I can’t even see how “has fostered” would make sense in the context. SAT would never require this level of grammar expertise, so I believe it’s being overthought. The answers is most likely No Error.</p>
<p>To go against this argument, I asked my IB English teacher who has a doctorates in microlinguistics and grammar from UCLA and he said that “when” has to be “that”. “When” creates a dangling modifier that is avoided with the use of “that.” The only way that you could use the “when” after the “it was not until the 1980’s…” phrase is if you have “that” after it… ie: Although new zealand had been fostering music for decades, it was not until 1980s when technology developed that the music went international." is correct.</p>
<p>BEWARE: Long grammar and semantics lesson up ahead. I’ve never been taught this stuff so this is just my intuition and judgment. IF you don’t want to read, my final conclusion is that “when” is not grammatically wrong, but the SAT probably thinks it is.</p>
<p>In this context, the “that…” phrase (“that musicians began to reach an international audience”) is essentially a noun. In effect, the “that…” phrase represents the dummy pronoun “it”:
… it was not until the 1980s that musicians began to reach an international audience.
= … that musicians began to reach an international audience was not until the 1980s.
= … that musicians began to reach an international audience presented itself not before the 1980s.
→ … that musicians began to reach an international audience first presented itself in the 1980s.
To give an example, It is obvious that he is taller is virtually the same statement as That he is taller is obvious or (more clearly understood) The fact that he is taller is obvious: “that he is taller” essentially = the dummy pronoun “it.”</p>
<p>Now, the Oxford English Dictionary lists an entry for “when” with similar usage:
So, in other words, “when” can mean “The time at which” or “A time at which.” One literary example the OED cites is
which can be broken down into “Know when to say Amen” or, substituting the definition, “Know the time at which to say Amen” (= “Understand the time at which to say Amen”).</p>
<p>So, if we substitute “when” (and “at the time which”) into the SAT sentence, we get something that makes sense:
… it was not until the 1980s when musicians began to reach an international audience.
= … when musicians began to reach an international audience was not until the 1980s.
= … the time at which musicians began to reach an international audience was not until the 1980s.
= … the time at which musicians began to reach an international audience presented itself not before the 1980s.
→ … the time at which musicians began to reach an international audience first presented itself in the 1980s.
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<p>This usage of “when” is nonstandard in the sense that more people use “that,” but it’s not incorrect. The SAT, however, being flawed and rigid in its testing and prescription of writing rules, may find this usage incorrect. I think the answer on the test was probably “when.”</p>
<p>Oh jeez. Your post, crazybandit, made sense to me though. Never before have both xiggi and crazybandit posted in an SAT thread and still leave the thread unanswered! Perhaps we need the third of this holy grammar guru triumverate, silverturtle! </p>
<p>Also, maybe this question has the potential to be thrown out?</p>
<p>You cannot change your answers. You cannot change your score. In a few weeks, the scores will be released, and the answer will be confirmed a bit later. </p>
<p>Take a deep breath and let it go. The sun will come up tomorrow.</p>
<p>I chose E… but I never really supported my answer. I think my answer is wrong, sadly. If CB decides that E is the correct answer, I would be overjoyed. I don’t think that’s likely.</p>
<p>but Xiggi has spoken, and honestly lets all just wait…I’m nervous about my scores and a bit more nervous after checking some answers on CC on compiled lists. But then again, I feel reassured about my right answers based on the lists. CC after an SAT test is a bittersweet thing.</p>
<p>I chose E and I still think No Error is the correct answer
‘That’ instead of’ when’ makes sense but we cant say that ‘when’ is wrong ;;
Im pretty sure that N.E is correct</p>
<p>Ok Xiggi isn’t god. Not criticizing him, but just because he gives his opinion on a subject doesn’t mean we have to follow it. Discussing things like this is good. I don’t know about you guys, but I learned a lot from fellow members here about grammar and the use of words here. Plus you learn and gain experience just from debating topics like this. I agree, it’s not serving anything to agonize over this 1 question, but I really doubt anyone is and I think it’s perfectly fine to be discussing it and sharing thoughts.</p>
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