<p>I can’t give you any hard numbers, but the admissions office had to bump the notification date for early action applicants back well over a week just because they were overwhelmed by the number of EA applications…</p>
<p>As I said, no hard numbers but it might give you some food for thought.</p>
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That’s also completely untrue. The only reason admissions pushed back the date is because they have a new computer system they are learning to use.</p>
<p>Read the Admissons blog.</p>
<p>Ryan</p>
<p>Again, I am not going to argue with you. You are trying to support what you hope to be true; I am simply stating what I have heard firsthand from sources within admissions and others closely associated with UNC. I am not able to disclose my sources or they won’t be sources any longer but suffice it to say, I have no axe to grind and being the parent of an alum, no hidden agenda other than to sometimes lend a calming voice to this board. </p>
<p>I have been on these boards for about six years and I am sure that others will tell you that I mean no harm and am only here to try to help those who need it and again, be a voice of reason when things get crazy here as they often do.</p>
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<p>Your point ignores the fact that all state schools (even flagships) are not created equal and that UNC, given its “public Ivy” status has always been highly sought after by many who also apply to Ivies and other “more elite” private schools. The economic downturn, the resulting collapse of savings, stock portfolios and college funds has changed the landscape for many who might otherwise have thought nothing of paying full freight at those other private schools a few years ago. Now, UNC offers a more affordable alternative that has a great reputation and more name brand cache than their own state schools.</p>
<p>packerfan is correct when stating that the admission deadline was in part pushed back by the number of ea applicants, the other part was the computer changeover.</p>
<p>Most schools don’t disclose application information until the process is complete and the first admissions are announced. If a school disclosed that applications were up significantly during the process it might discourage others from applying. Don’t be surprised to see articles supporting the current admissions statistics coming out in the near future.</p>
<p>Again, take it for what its worth…</p>
<p>After doing some research, I found out the early applications this year likely </p>
<p>DECLINED.</p>
<p>Last year there were 13,692 applications for Early Action. </p>
<p>As stated by Erin in Admissions in the UNC Admissions blog in regards to admissions numbers THIS YEAR.</p>
<p>“It’s approximately 13,000.”</p>
<p>That’s word for word.</p>
<p>You guys can tackle the nuance of the word “approximately” but usually colleges announce quickly if their decision numbers are up. So I extremely doubt that the “number of OOS applicants has soared to record levels” as eadad priorly claimed.</p>
<p><a href=“https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4235822278413094178&postID=8088534486324681459&isPopup=true[/url]”>https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4235822278413094178&postID=8088534486324681459&isPopup=true</a></p>
<p>Additionally, Stephen Farmer stated earlier in the comment section the reason the date was pushed back one day was because of the computer system.</p>
<p>I’m not trying to be belligerent eadad, but it is hard to take you seriously as an authority on UNC admissions when you were just incorrect twice and refuse to substantiate any of your claims with actual sources.</p>
<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>In defense of eadad, he really does give some of the best advice you will find anywhere about UNC. And as far as his sources, I wouldn’t really question them considering he is the father of a Morehead… As far as not disclosing them, that makes perfect sense. I know people in the office of admissions, but I don’t go around talking about them because that would be a betrayal of their trust in me.</p>
<p>I mean no disrespect towards you, but I would take his word over a high school senior.</p>
<p>I completely agree. </p>
<p>I guarantee he knows more than me and most people on this forum, but I’m at least backing up my claims with legitimate facts from the UNC website. </p>
<p>I would rather take my word from somebody who works for UNC than an anonymous blogger.</p>
<p>I would call approximately 13,000 in the same range it was last year. Since the blog has said that the number of EA applications is about the same as it was last year, and that it was because of the computers that the deadline was pushed back, I will have to agree with you on that point, but as a whole eadad has some of the best info on UNC, and as he says is a calming voice.</p>
<p>Ryan</p>
<p>I completely agree about being cautious when listening to an anonymous blogger; I have warned others on here about it many times especially when decisions come out and those rejected or deferred start trashing UNC. They have done it every year and and I feel certain they will do it again this year.</p>
<p>You are free to believe what you want to. I never said early applications were significantly up, just that they were up from what I have been told. I did however say that overall applications were up.</p>
<p>I think my track record here speaks for itself. </p>
<p>Remember that everything is not always disclosed on the admissions website-just enough to keep you all in the loop and not feel forgotten which incidentally is a big improvement over years gone by.</p>
<p>A very wise man once told me that God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason…through the years I have learned that it was very good advice.</p>
<p>I sincerely wish you well in the admissions process.</p>
<p>Thanks, and hope everyone who reads this can take solace in the fact that there are only five more days left until decisions are released.</p>
<p>Good luck everybody.</p>
<p>Does anyone have info regarding out of state admissions rates for applicants with legacy - wondering how much of a factor (if any) that legacy status really is?</p>
<p>According to admissions, 39% of OOS alumni kids were admitted in 2009 vs. ~20% non-alumni OOS kids. I don’t know the instate numbers but legacy is definitely a plus in admissions.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Thanks eadad - that’s very helpful!</p>
<p>obviously people arent being accepted in huge numbers for people that scored in the 1300s on SATs because there just are not enough spots for everyone…but take a look at this…from the table 15 students from OOS scored in the 900s, 33 from OOS scored in the 1000s, 49 scored in the 1100s. Thats almost 100 students there. Relatively speaking, and no one freak out, most of those students are probably athletes. I’m not saying athletes score lower, but UNC probably would not accept OOS students that had no hooks with those SAT scores. Therefore, if you then see the 109 OOS students that scored in the 1200s, that more than makes up the athletes, not including the exceptions of the athletes that score really high. What I am trying to say is that the lower SAT scores from OOS are probably those of the athletes not because the athletes do not score as well but because unhooked OOS students probably would not be accepted with those numbers. Therefore, there are still open spots for students that scored in the 1300s on their SAT, even though it is really competitive</p>
<p>Don’t forget that many of those supposed “unhooked” students who scored in the 1300s might also be URMs which actually is a hook but not clearly delineated for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>that is true…but im sure theres not 170 URM OOS acceptees that scored in the 1300s…what im trying to say…is that if you scored in the 1300s for OOS and have a lot to offer, it is not impossible to be accepted.</p>
<p>Statistical accuracy and implcations aside (I will assume that these numbers are more or less accurate), this really is interesting data. I have been looking for something like that for quite some time; thanks to the OP!</p>
<p>Just a note, my son is an OOS freshman at UNC who scored a 1360/2080 on his SAT. (He actually did slightly better but those scores were never sent to UNC as he was already accepted EA.) He had no hooks, he is not a child of an alumini, and he is not an athlete. Just a kid that worked real hard all through HS and worked really hard on his application and essays. He had a 4.0 GPA with many AP classes. He was also involved in many activities in HS, leading a couple. I agree that UNC takes a holistic approcach to admissions and that trying to analye the numbers being thrown out on this thread will get you nowhere. Also, like EA Dad suggested, my son absolutely positively did not want to go to our state flagship school. Due to the economy, I insisted he apply, but it was never his intention to go there. His decision was between UNC and another private university in DC, and he ultimately chose UNC and he couldn’t be happier.</p>
<p>Our S score 1440 and is an URM as are three other URMS (UNC applicants) from his class of 128 students who scored between 1400-1440. He is attending the Tar Heel Day next week as is another child. In many of these elite private schools it is not unusual to have a number of URMs scoring at that high end level and many apply to schools such as UNC and UVA. We are all OOS. What most people don’t realize is the school kills two birds with one stone. S receive a full ride to Pitt on the Helen Faison Scholarship with his 1440 and then was invited to apply for Chancellor which we declined…obviously leaving that spot open for a non-URM. We are learning that at the state schools it is much more cut and dry and dependent on the bottom line numbers.</p>
<p>OOS admission numbers from 2009 (compiled from UNC admissions blog including comments):</p>
<p>First deadline: 6,517 applied; 1,409 accepted (5,108 rejected or deferred)
(total number deferred IS and OOS 2,429, combined)</p>
<p>Second deadline: approx. 6,500 applied; approx. 1,300 accepted; approx. 60 of those
OOS deferred first deadlined also accepted.
OOS waitlisted 1,287 (includes second deadline and first deadline<br>
“deferrees”) </p>
<p>Last year only a handful of OOS were admitted off the wait list, presumably because they increased the number of OOS acceptances due to the uncertainty about yield in light of the down economy.</p>
<p>Total OOS applications approx. 13,020; total acceptances first and second deadlines 2,760.</p>
<p>Note – UNC has to accept 2600+ to get 700 OOS to enroll.</p>
<p>As one who went through this last year, what I took away is that the majority of the OOS accepted by UNC are competitive for Ivys, top LAC’s, and other top state institutions. They do use a holistic approach; they are favorable to URM’s (one on this board last year was a Texan turned down by UT (top 10% rule?)); and they have some other stats they especially like, e.g., top 10 in class. But, the majority of OOS students accepted have the very highest stats., as well as fabulous extracurriculars, demonstrated dedication to a cause, etc. </p>
<p>Good luck to everyone this weekend and in March. UNC is a great school, but if you are even in the ballpark for UNC, you’ll likely have a number of great options for next year.</p>
<p>Thanks for that info AVA…and in the main that was my point. OOS acceptees are generally very high level and they are applying to Ivies, Amherst, etc.</p>
<p>We live in DC. I have yet to see UNC take a child from our Wash DC high school–URM or white --who is not at the top, esp. with their scores. I do know one student from a neighboring school–also private but parochial who is there -AT UNC-Chapel Hill now. (URM) Her SATs were 1340 (CR +M). S received a likely letter from UNC in Nov (2120 SAT/1440) and was deferred by Yale EA. Also applied to Brown, Pitt., Bowdoin, Hopkins and Oberlin. I love UNC and have since doing work down there 20 years ago. But rest assured, it is tough to get in from OOS. No cake walk for anyone,</p>