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A U.S. nuclear-powered submarine collided with a Japanese oil tanker in the Straits of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of the world?s oil supplies travel, officials said.</p>
<p>No one was hurt in the accident that happened Monday night in the 34-mile-wide straits, which are bordered by Iran and Oman and serve as the entrance to the Persian Gulf....
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<p>Oops.</p>
<p>Hear that? It's the sound of a few careers coming to an end.</p>
<p>CO, OOD, and maybe the Sonar Supervisor. </p>
<p>:(</p>
<p>don't subs have radar and sonar and all kinds of nav devices? even my little 24-footer has radar! I mean, it's not like these oil tankers are small or anything....aren't they like floating cities? :eek:</p>
<p>I'm having a hard time imagining a sub full of sailors and not one person seeing a huge blip on the sonar indicating something was coming. Unless it was really the Japanese ship that ran into them.</p>
<p>The articles stated that the bow of the sub hit the stern of the commercial vessel. Hence, the Navy is at fault for this collision. Since the submarine was on the surface, the OOD and conning officer should have been in the conning tower. It's difficult to not see a commercial vessel. What were they doing -- picking their noses?</p>
<p>a SUPERTANKER no less! Oh my!</p>
<p>but in the Navy's defense...????....that looks like a wicket entrance into the waterway.... although 38 miles is still 38 miles..... </p>
<p>wonder how they did in navigation! :eek:</p>
<p>The only consolation is that at least the sub did'nt bump into a US carrier or another sub.</p>
<p>sheesh</p>
<p>Couldn't they have executed that famous "Z" (for Zaphod) manouver to avoid the collision?</p>
<p>Nah. That's for picking up landlubbers who fall over the side. ;)</p>
<p>I still remember one Captain I had who, whenever he left the bridge, would turn to the OOD and say, "I'm going below. Don't hit anything, OK?" :D</p>
<p>Published in the Navy Times:</p>
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The entire U.S. submarine force has been placed on ?immediate? operational standdown following a Jan. 8 collision in the Persian Gulf and the deaths of two submariners in late December.</p>
<p>All submarine skippers worldwide ? including those on ballistic missile submarines ? will spend the next week conducting thorough reviews of past operations and future plans, according to a Jan. 11 news release from Naval Submarine Forces. They've also been ordered to "evaluate areas of risk and risk management."...
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<p>This article provides a different account of the collision that occurred on 8 January 2007. Regardless of what caused the mishap, the CO will be going down.</p>
<p>Well, did the order work, Z? </p>
<p>Yea, 'twill be time, as Chuck Noll said often, to to get on with the life's work for those unfortunate fellas. Accidents happen. But only once with them at the helm, I spose.</p>
<p>For me it did. I never hit anything except my waypoints. :)</p>
<p>Looks like another submarine wrecked.</p>
<p>Only this time an AF sarge was at her helm. San Antonio Rose, I spose.</p>
<p>Sergeant in trouble for Playboy spread</p>
<p>By The Associated Press
Friday, January 12, 2007 </p>
<p>SAN ANTONIO (AP) — An Air Force staff sergeant who posed nude for Playboy magazine has been relieved of her duties while the military investigates, officials said Thursday.
In February's issue, hitting newsstands this week, Michelle Manhart is photographed in uniform yelling and holding weapons under the headline "Tough Love." The following pages show her partially clothed, wearing her dog tags while working out, as well as completely nude. </p>
<p>"This staff sergeant's alleged action does not meet the high standards we expect of our airmen, nor does it comply with the Air Force's core values of integrity, service before self, and excellence in all we do," Oscar Balladares, spokesman for Lackland Air Force Base, said in a statement. </p>
<p>Manhart told Playboy that she considers herself as standing up for her rights. </p>
<p>"Of what I did, nothing is wrong, so I didn't anticipate anything, of course," Manhart, 30, told The Associated Press. "I didn't do anything wrong, so I didn't think it would be a major issue." </p>
<p>Manhart, who is married with two children, joined the Air Force in 1994, spending time in Kuwait in 2002. She trains airmen at Lackland.</p>
<p>One young recruit was heard to say, "I wanna fly with you, sister."</p>
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<p>What an idiot. :mad:</p>
<p>As for the rest, wrong forum. I'll remain silent.</p>
<p>Maybe the midshipmen should be sent to West Point for an orienteering course. I understand they don't teach them to use a sextant any longer.</p>
<p>I find that difficult to believe.</p>
<p>Not that a sextant would have mattered in this case. A sextant measures latitude, not bearing and range to an object.</p>
<p>Not to mention the small fact that within the confines of a steel tube it is a bit difficult to measure the sun. Even with it, such devices are far to innaccurate to avoid hitting something even if you were given the other ships exact coordinates at any given time.</p>
<p>Actually, fairly accurate measurements of elevation can be taken through a periscope. Additionally, you would be surprised just how accurate celestial navigation can be.</p>
<p>However, if I am reading these comments correctly, many folks are confusing navigation with maneuvering. Navigation is the wonderful and beautiful art/science of determining your ship's position in relation to the surface of the Earth. Maneuvering is the ability to move your ship in a manner that allows it to follow the track established by the Navigator while also taking into account other vessels and threats. </p>
<p>What we have here is a failure in maneuvering. There is no excuse I can think of, short of loss of radar AND sonar on a dark and foggy night, for a submarine to run into a supertanker. I am not Submarine Officer qualified, so I don't know the OOD procedures for dealing with such a situation, but on surface ships the procedures include slowing to bare steerageway, sounding your ship's whistle, posting extra lookouts, etc. Even then, running into another ship or anything else is rarely excused (NEVADA being run aground during Pearl Harbor is a noteable example).</p>
<p>Attack boat Newport News surfaced beneath Japanese tanker</p>
<p>Posted on NavyTimes.com:</p>
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The skipper of the attack submarine Newport News was relieved of command Monday in Bahrain following a Jan. 8 collision with a Japanese oil tanker in the chokepoint of the Persian Gulf known as the Strait of Hormuz.</p>
<p>Cmdr. Matthew A. Weingart was relieved of command by Rear Adm. Douglas J. McAneny, commander of Combined Task Force 54, "due to lack of confidence in his ability to command," according to a statement from Naval Forces Central Command in Bahrain.
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<p>Another CO bites the dust. :eek:</p>
<p>Ouch! That's gonna hurt.</p>