<p>“many companies don’t like to hire from there because their students aren’t as well trained as others.”</p>
<p>I find that incredibly hard to believe. Companies may not hire every BC grad due to academic inferiorities. As a whole, however, BC students from CSOM have great prospects out of college GIVEN that they actually put forth effort in their studies/internships. Just as examples, Bain Consulting (one of the top three consulting firms) considers BC to be a target school; according to the accounting department annual report, graduates were granted jobs from Barclays Capital and Morgan Stanley and over 5 graduates were placed at Deloitte Consulting. </p>
<p>Just as a side note, BCs career center is great. The Alumni Networking Database is one of the best features; it allows students to get in touch with vocation-specific contacts which also happen to be BC alums. I have conversed with about 4-5 people using that database.</p>
<p>The bottom-line is as follows</p>
<p>1.) I’m not sure where you get these statistics from and how you went about to cross-reference them with other statistics. I would be interested in seeing your sources listed.</p>
<p>2.) Outplacement from BC is fantastic GIVEN that you are a solid student. Going to BC isn’t the magic ticket to being on Wall Street, but it sure will get you there if you are motivated to achieve it. </p>
<p>3.) The career center WILL work its ass off to find you job opportunities. If it didn’t, wouldn’t you think the employees in that full-time department would get pretty bored? Additionally, they offer many services that “a ton of research” cannot uncover unless you actually come here, using the Alumni Network Database as an example.</p>
<p>No offense to you, but the absolute assertions you are making have very little validity coming from a source such as yourself. Nevertheless, good luck at Babson, a quality school as well.</p>
<p>Awww JonLouis, right up until that line you were actually almost holding your own. You have emails from two investment banks wherein someone tells you that Babo grads are better and more efficient than BC grads? Really? You have signed emails from HR or the Investment side where the senders detail to you their preferences for Babo students over any other school? You have signed emails documenting where management tells some anonymous going-to-be-freshman that one college is vastly superior to another? </p>
<p>I’ll call your bluff. Produce the emails. Name names. No manager is that stupid. No manager in any corporation is crazy enough to put in writing that they prefer one school over another, they might believe it, they might even say it in conversations, but they aren’t dumb enough to put it into an email to some high schooler/college student/internet chat room ■■■■■ who might get it back to the offended school or worse yet, have it fall into the hands on one of their bosses who is an alum of the “inferior” school. </p>
<p>Oops, wait a minute, you’re right, there is a name for a corporate employee idiotic enough to leave a paper trail like that - unemployed.</p>
<p>If you want to ■■■■■ that’s fine but don’t overplay your hand with ridiculous claims.</p>
<p>with all due respect, WS employers are prestige hounds. They start at the top and work down. (It makes the work of the HR department easier.) Harvard English majors tend to get the nod over a lower-ranked Finance majors.</p>
<p>If you are truly a WS wannabe, aim much higher than Babson; also consider NYU-Stern.</p>
<p>And Top 30 is good? That’s a lot of universities across the nation ahead of BC.</p>
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<p>I was a social reject at BC. I won’t go into detail explaning why, since I did not come to this site seeking therapy, but I did not fit in nicely at that place. I felt disliked and I think that’s why I never liked that place.</p>
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<p>I think I missed it. I was required to take 2 theology and 2 philosophy courses, but I was never taught anything about the Jesuit tradition. Or perhaps something about the Jesuits was mentioned in passing in one of the theology courses? I think we talked about St. Ignatius and his spiritual exercises at one point. Then again, with all the drinking and casual sex and parties going on at that place (not that I embraced those attitudes and behaviors), can I be blamed for not living my life according to the Jesuit tradition?</p>
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<p>You can look at it that way. The fact that even I got accepted tells me that either I’m more intelligent than I give myself credit for or BC has really low standards, which leads me to think that BC is not such a great school after all.</p>
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<p>BC never did anything to help me find a job. Each time I went to the career center I was given an attitude along the lines of “you are a BC student! you can do all the research and find a job on your own!” Thanks to that attitude today BC boasts of one more unemployed grad. Good for them.</p>
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<p>That was not my experience working with the career center.</p>
<p>I dont know why ur so defensive. its not like im some kid who didnt get in and is now saying “oh it sucked anyway” </p>
<p>your going to love this but i deleted the emails. i had no reason to save them as i want expecting some arrogant person claiming im lying. The emails basically said that they hire from all schools and all majors. however, she (lady from GS) said that babson has done extremely well in their investment bank. while boston college has done better in consulting. thus babson is better for my me. </p>
<p>@oddsss your exactly right. BC wont wrk hard to get you a job.</p>
<p>i also dont know why ur calling me a ■■■■■ nor do i care, but if you like to see a copy of my babson enrollment letter, id love to provide you with one</p>
<p>Jon, the fact that you have two accounts further questions your legitimacy. But anyways, let us begin.</p>
<p>You made a statement basically saying that Babson is an investment banking school and BC is a consulting school. Taking for fact the idea that consulting and investment banking are the two most exclusive fields in entry-level business, you are essentially saying that Babson and BC are equal regarding their business programs. Therefore, how in the world can you boast that Babson is so much better a business school than BC? Deducing from your prior conclusion, a fictional executive (which is likely just as fictional as your GS / Barclays contact) from Bain/McKinsey/BCG would rate BC higher than Babson in consulting. </p>
<p>Furthermore, here is your statement…</p>
<p>“she (lady from GS) said that babson has done extremely well in their investment bank. while boston college has done better in consulting. thus babson is better for my me.”</p>
<p>In no way is this statement saying that BC is worse in investment banking. It is merely saying that Babson has “done well.” Thus, the above conclusion is still overstated. Also, where is the Barclays capital source (even if we were to take your rubbish heresay as truth)?</p>
<p>Conclusion: your logic is flawed and your story cannot help but be contrived.</p>
<p>I don’t even know why i spent time to write this. I guess I just dont want prospective students to get the wrong message from some heresay nonsense and illegitimate posters.</p>
<p>Dear JonLouis : To be honest, it is certainly a surprise to me how the tone of your response has changed from the December 2010 and March 2011 letters that you had written asking for advice and help. Clearly, we helped you gain an acceptance to Boston College; we are taken back by your posture related to this discussion.</p>
<p>True story : As a few readers might know on College Confidential, after teaching at the University level for two years, I spent 20+ years on Wall Street in New York. There is little about equities, commodities, bonds, investment banking and such that I have not seen. I can tell you hand over heart that there is just no way you received e-mail communications through an official corporate mail server (like Goldman-Sachs) offering you a comparison on the students from Babson and Boston College.</p>
<p>I will close this thread of discussion by offering you the very best of successes with your Babson College undertakings. Be well.</p>
<p>Dear vinceh : Your content enumerated the precise points which I was about to debate with JonLouis. Then, I took a step back and retrenched. </p>
<p>JonLouis was one of our chance-me posters who sought much advice here on College Confidential’s Boston College board; now, he has the answers and evidence in the form of corporate e-mails at the age of eighteen to tell us that our advice and insight is misguided. </p>
<p>Personally, I hope that his research is correct. The funny thing about a burned wooden bridge is that it really does not work well when you need to revisit where you have already been.</p>
<p>Dear Oddsss : Thank you for the opportunity to further engage in discourse. Rather than distracting you from your job search with discussions about rankings, Jesuit traditions, and social ineptness, let me free you up to continue your search to move off the unemployment roles. Best wishes and good luck.</p>
<p>Like I said previously, while undergraduate institution may be “important”…it is also important that you open doors for yourself, work hard, and make connections during your undergraduate career. Therefore, these debates at which school is better and why BC isn’t as good as other institutions are really useless because your undegrad university doesn’t define you or your future. BC will give you the materials to succeed, just like other universities, but it is really the individual that needs to work hard and stand out so they will be hired. </p>
<p>I think we should stop feeding Oddsss’ ridiculous threads because he’s clearly either a ■■■■■ or a person who wants to blame his unhappiness on a university that really has nothing to do with his unemployment…or other life issues.</p>
<p>" Like I said previously, while undergraduate institution may be “important”…it is also important that you open doors for yourself, work hard, and make connections during your undergraduate career."</p>
<p>Since I should be searching for a job, I won’t address your comment in depth, but I will say that it’s hard to network at a school where you don’t fit in and where you are not liked.</p>
<p>“BC will give you the materials to succeed, just like other universities, but it is really the individual that needs to work hard and stand out so they will be hired.”</p>
<p>I probably didn’t work hard enough. I’m okay with that. I did what I could given all the social stressors and outright hostility I had to deal with during my tenure at BC.</p>
<p>scottj. How am I misguided if I chose the better school for my needs? Your life clearly sucks, you sit infront of a computer all day on this site. You either work for BC, because you couldn’t get a job anywhere else, or your a millionaire who retired at a young age, and I highly doubt that. I don’t know why you are trying to argue with me. Babson gets better job opportunities for it’s students compared to BC. </p>
<p>LoL JonLouis. Make sure to take some literature courses when you get to Babson, because you clearly need to work on your reading skills:</p>
<p>“As a few readers might know on College Confidential, after teaching at the University level for two years, I spent 20+ years on Wall Street in New York.”- scottj</p>
<p>Oddsss, at that point you should have hit the transfer button. If BC was that terrible of a fit for you, then you really should have transfered.</p>
<p>JonLouis, scottj presented him/herself as calmly as possible in this thread and you are still compelled to spew childish insults. At least I know that when I apply for jobs, I will have one less person to compete with, a person with childish antics and zero people skills.</p>
<p>If only college deans/admissions staff could be shown online idiocity like this…</p>
<p>“And Top 30 is good? That’s a lot of universities across the nation ahead of BC.”</p>
<p>That’s a lot more schools behind BC. And I can’t tell when you graduated, probably recently because no one in their 30s, 40s complains about their schools on why they are unemployed. But it’s no one’s fault that you didn’t visit or research enough on the social scene at BC. If you aren’t a white, upper middle class kid that likes to drink and watch football, then yeah, you could possibly be taking a chance on the BC social scene. That doesn’t make BC any better or worse of a school in regards to your job search. Should’ve read Student Reviews and College p r o w l e r.</p>
<p>Agreed, bronovan, except I know for a fact you don’t need to be a white, upper middle kid that likes to drink and watch football to enjoy the BC social scene. That’s just the stereotype, and it doesn’t apply to the entire student body.</p>
<p>“Oddsss, at that point you should have hit the transfer button. If BC was that terrible of a fit for you, then you really should have transfered.”</p>
<p>I forced myself to stay there because even if my experience at BC sucked, I wanted to end up with a diploma from a “good” school. You say I could have transferred, but where? Harvard, MIT, Tufts? Nah. Those were out of my league Should I have tried BU? Northeastern?</p>
<p>“If you aren’t a white, upper middle class kid that likes to drink and watch football, then yeah, you could possibly be taking a chance on the BC social scene.”</p>
<p>I wouldn’t say that I took a huge chance on the BC social scene, since socialization has never been one of my priorities, but you are right, I was nothing like the BC stereotypical student. What I did not expect was the hostility and dislike I experienced there. I thought I was just going to be ignored. But no, that didn’t happen, since apparently it was too obvious I wasn’t like most of the people there.</p>
<p>“That doesn’t make BC any better or worse of a school in regards to your job search.”</p>
<p>Anyway, if there is one thing I resent about my experience at BC was the poor career counseling I received there. I visited the career center many times, and there wasn’t a single time when I wasn’t met with an unfriendly or unhelpful attitude. I asked for help finding an internship, they sent me to read books. I asked for help deciding what to do with my major, I was told I could do a lot of things; then when I graduated, it turned out that I couldn’t really do anything with my major. It is true that a career center is not a job placement agency, but given my lack of resourcefulness I think I would have been much better suited at one of those colleges where they hold your hand and either help you find internships or automatically hook you up with them.</p>
Should I have tried BU? Northeastern?</p>