<p>I have not taken any SAT subjects. I took my ACT and received a 32, but when I went to take my SAT subjects, I forgot my ID and was 45 minutes from home. STORY OF MY LIFE. I know they say SAT is not required, but I feel as if I have screwed myself over. Penny for your thoughts?</p>
<p>I didn’t send in my SATs either. Just ACT. I got a 35, though.</p>
<p>I just sent in my ACTs to Chicago, and I got in. I don’t think there will be a big problem. THey don’t say you have to have the subject tests, so you should be fine.</p>
<p>UChicago doesn’t require the SAT + Subject Tests; Duke does. While the ACT w/ writing can be used instead, high subject test scores can help your application.</p>
<p>Of course, if the rest of your application is strong then it doesn’t really matter whether or not you send in any subject test scores. As well, why does the fact that you received a 35 on your ACT have any relevance?</p>
<p>Most people will send in the SAT if they have a weak ACT score. I wasn’t concerned about my scores, so I didn’t send in both tests.</p>
<p>If you sent in ACT with writing, then you don’t need any SATs.</p>
<p>I don’t see how you’re contributing anything to the discussion, motion.</p>
<p>I just sent in my ACT score and two SAT subject test scores and i got in.</p>
<p>^^^ Early decision? What do you need subject tests for? Do you need them for engineering?</p>
<p>He’s talking about the SAT subject tests, not the SAT reasoning, and somehow, in your utter ineptitude, you’ve managed to miss that. Every applicant to Duke needs two subjects unless they sent in the ACT with writing.</p>
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<p>…You haven’t answered the OP’s question whatsoever. In fact, you’ve completely misunderstood him/her…</p>
<p>I think you’re missing the point. The OP is wondering if they missed the boat by not sending in EXTRA SAT subject tests. The OP sent in ACT + writing, so neither the SAT test nor the subject tests are required.</p>
<p>Thanks for calling me inept, though. That’s a nice thing to do.</p>
<p>oh sorry, i misread you’re statement. ummm i don’t think you need the SAT subject tests if you sent in ACT + writing.</p>
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False. Many people on the east coast have never even heard of the ACT.</p>
<p>@Protagonist,</p>
<p>?? How is your quoted message “False” because of your claim of east coast ignorance of the ACT? Totally non sequitur …</p>
<p>I have to agree with Protagonist here.</p>
<p>Katie’s statement “most people” is what makes it false.</p>
<p>Some people will make that decision for that reason, but the blanket statement that the main reason to send SATs is because of a weak ACT indicates a flawed thought process. Many candidates will take both and send both for a more complete picture (ACT is perceived as more of a knowledge test, SAT as a reasoning test). Others will send both scores because both scores are strong, which makes them look like a stronger candidate. </p>
<p>And as Protagonist indicates, east and west coast students are more likely to take the SAT. (The top 5 states for students taking ACT are IL, MI, FL, OH, TX)</p>
<p>fine then, add “in addition” to my statement.</p>
<p>Most people will send SAT scores IN ADDITION to SAT scores if they have a weak ACT score.</p>
<p>happy?</p>
<p>But kitkatkatie, what you are missing here is that not everybody takes the ACT and many of those who take the ACT do not consider the SAT a “backup” test, which is what I infer from your statement. (But your restatement is a little confusing if you will re-read it.)</p>
<p>And (whisper)…your petulance is showing.</p>
<p>@kitkatkatie,</p>
<p>Your statement was logically correct the first time, … you stated it perfectly. What many people don’t understand is that the antecedent (the proposition after the “if”) need only be considered as TRUE. If it is FALSE your statement it TRUE trivially … logic is my specialty … my dad taught me this stuff BEFORE I started school …</p>
<p>@plumazul - Yes! When I read it that way, it does make sense.</p>
<p>But I would rather see:</p>
<p>If a person has a weak ACT score, they would then choose to send in a strong/er SAT score.</p>
<p>But I also think that while a high ACT score is good, a high ACT alongside a high SAT is better. (Especially because they can see your CR/M/W broken out.) So…while kitkatkatie’s logic has been proven, I still think the reasoning is faulty. </p>
<p>Perhaps the conclusion one can draw here is that pouty attitude draws fire?</p>
<p>^^Does your dad tuck you in at night and then tell you horror stories about Russell’s Paradox and Godel’s incompleteness theorems (I still don’t get 25% of the latter…explain it if you can to me please :))? Or is mathematical logic not your/his cup of tea? Sorry, I just felt like saying that.</p>
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<p>I believe that his argument DOES establish the desired conclusion (proving that kitkatie’s statement is false). However, he does not expound upon the premises used to reach that conclusion (they’re implied). Here’s the argument:</p>
<p>Kitkatkatie’s statement: People send in their SAT scores when they have weak ACT scores.</p>
<p>His argument (as well, it is implicitly assumed that those in question are applying to Duke, which requires either the SAT or the ACT):
- Most people on the east coast have not heard of the ACT.
- In order to have a weak ACT score, you had to have taken the ACT.
- In order to have taken the ACT, you have had to have heard of the ACT.
- People from the east coast apply to Duke.
- Therefore people who send in SAT scores don’t necessarily have weak ACT scores because some of them may not have heard of the ACT (or taken it).</p>
<p>The argument, therefore, is not non sequitur. However, it does have slight flaws (mainly since the term ‘most’ is used in premise 1) since it is logically conceivable that those that had not heard of the ACT didn’t apply to Duke (in other words, it is conceivable that everyone applying to Duke had heard of the ACT and took it). The argument can be restructured if you just change the first premise to: 1) People from the east coast apply to Duke without having heard of the ACT (basically, combining premises 1 and 4). Of course, that isn’t true by logical necessity - its validity would have to be proven by empirical data.</p>
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<p>Yes, I don’t understand how she doesn’t understand that either. Here in PA, the ACT is the backup test. I also didn’t hear of the ACT until December and therefore never took it. In fact, a quick skim through CC can find instances where many instruct low SAT scores to take the ACT because sometimes low scorers on the SAT do better on the ACT. As well, I have heard that some admissions officers will second guess a high ACT score (with no SAT score sent in) from a person from a high school in New York or Pennsylvania because the ACT is usually a backup test for students in those states.</p>
<p>However, I believe that she is deriving her statements from personal experience. I would imagine that a lot of students in Colorado do use the SAT as a backup to the ACT. She seems to be attempting to assume that what happens in Colorado is the norm everywhere else when, truly, it is not.</p>
<p>@plumazul: Her argument is logically valid but is not wholly correct. Her premises are false.</p>
<p>As well, the statement that people with weak ACT scores will send in their SAT scores is still somewhat flawed. Firstly, it assumes that they have taken the SAT. Secondly, it assumes that they performed the same or better than they did on the ACT. Thirdly, it assumes that the norm in their area is to take the SAT since AO’s may look oddly on a person from Florida who took the SAT but not the ACT (but they wouldn’t if it were a high ACT score and a low SAT score). While the third point isn’t necessarily true - the validity of the point that it attempts to critique is still in question.</p>
<p>So BASICALLY, I, Katy, who started this thread, will not be denied acceptance because of my lack of an SAT or SAT subjects. Are there not more important things in the world to debate than one person’s comment on the nerdiest site known to man?</p>
<p>@motion12345</p>
<p>“Does your dad tuck you in at night and then tell you horror stories about Russell’s Paradox and Godel”</p>
<p>Wow, LOL, … Yes! My favorite was the life story of Georg Cantor. He loves Cantor …</p>
<p>I am currently reading a book titled “Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid” by Douglas R. Hofstadter … I highly recommend it …</p>