<p>Pima where are you? I just know you'll jump on this post. ;)</p>
<p>Hornet do you think I am honestly up at 1:54 am? </p>
<p>Iceman, if there are only 12 for the AFA, and 2 slots, you have a great chance. Good luck!</p>
<p>bulletandpima, don't take this the wrong way. I do believe I am competitive with a good shot at a nomination. I am trying to stay positive... But also realistic. Please let me know if I am interrupting this wrong, but it looks as though I have a one in six shot. That is certainly better than a one in ten shot, but that odds still seem kind of slim.</p>
<p>Iceman, earlier in this thread (post 4,6) you said you had a nomination -- now you're talking about being "competitive with a good shot at a nomination" and "it looks as though I have a one in six" shot. First, if you already have an nomination, why are you worried about getting an additional nomination? Multiple nominations may help the academy with how they juggle the appointees (which is why they ask you to apply to all sources) but multiple nominations won't make the difference between your getting, or not getting, an appointment... and, it only takes one nomination to get an appointment. </p>
<p>Second, as I read your last two posts, all the nominees, of which you apparently are one, (and there are 10 for each opening) of your Member of Congress were invited to a MOC reception. Twelve are nominees are for USAFA but it appears your MOC has two vacancies for which s/he can submit nominees. Your post makes it seem you think you are only competing among the twelve nominees of your MOC for the two appointments. But, if you already have a nomination, you are now in the mix of those candidates with nominations who will be selected for the Class of 2013. There are (or will be) several thousand in that boat, including you, from which the class will be selected. But you think you have a one in six shot.... Am I missing something?</p>
<p>I meant to say that I believe I am competitive for an appointment, not a nomination. Sorry for the confusion.</p>
<p>Second, it is my understanding (based on my reading here and on SAF) that I will go up for decision with the rest of my MOC's slate - the other eleven nominees. Then the two candidates with the highest score will receive the appointments. That's where I was getting the one in six odds from. If I am misunderstanding something, please let me know.</p>
<p>Iceman you have much better odds than many other kids, however, only 2 will get that appt. From there you maybe placed in the national pool...again the highest scores win.</p>
<p>All of that being said, it is not a 1 in 6 chance(where they divide you into 2 piles of 6), look at it more like a percentage..which is about 16% chance of getting the appt.</p>
<p>The odds are in your favor, but remember there are people with 4 or 5 noms and don't get accepted it. They were seen as the best of their MOCs to get the noms. The noms are needed, but once you have it the WCS will be the make or break. You will hear of 4 or 5 people from 1 district that had only 1 nom ea. and wonder how can that happen? Simple answer their WCS was so high that they were appt through various other ways. If they want you they will get you in.</p>
<p>Quick question did your MOC state if they put in a principal? Or how they put the list went in? Your MOC could have submitted 1 list with 1 name and a second list with 10 names, thus you are back at the 1 in 10 shot. He may have chosen to do the 1 so he could basically give a principal, but not tie the AF's hands on the others sitting on that slate. Handing in a second slate with no principal allows them to decide who gets it and they get their number 1 person. DOle last yr had 2 slates and she stated the slates went in alphabetically, even showing the names, basically A-M on slate 1and N-Z on slate 2</p>
<p>I only got one nomination and got in. I think receiving more than one gives you a greater chance of getting a congressmen's slot, which are the ones filled first (and they get their appointments earlier), but I always thought since most of the class came from the national pool, it didn't matter if you were a principle or not if you were ranked high enough to receive an appointment in the first place. But I really wouldn't know since we weren't ranked by our congressmen- he just submitted a list of 10 and let them choose the ones they wanted (two to fill his open slots, and the rest from the pool).</p>
<p>You don't really have enough information to determine the odds because although the MOC has apparently got two openings, thus can submit two slates, the MOC is not required to submit two slates, nor is the MOC required to submit even one slate or even a full slate, or they can submit two identical slates or even two slates where some names are on only one slate and other names are on both slates ... there are so many variables that you cannot begin to know the odds. Many MOCs with multiple slates open will evaluate the quality (and/or quantity) of the applicants in their district and decide if they will submit both slates or save one for next year. Similarly, many MOCs do not fill a slate of 10, even if they have more than 10 candidates. This decision, too, is made based on the merit of the applicants. While some MOCs submit a full slate every opportunity they get, others do not because they perceive the nomination process to be a way to help admissions in the screening process and are thus only willing to nominate those with very real potential at a SA. In other words, some MOCs do not provide courtesy noms while others do. One MOC office described a courtesy nom this way ... a nom for someone who the MOC/committee feels that, for one reason or another (grades/attitude etc), will not represent the MOC district well. </p>
<p>So - as you can see, there are lots of variables that we just don't have enough information to assess the odds. If you are a strong candidate, fit within the norms/above the mins for the grades, test scores etc. and didn't come across as rude/arrogant or disrespectful in your interview, you should be okay for the nom. </p>
<p>The MOCs don't have to have their slates in until January 31st and there are lots of things going on in the MOC office. The majority of slates are turned in the last two weeks of January with a whole lot going in between the 28th-31st so be patient. Many MOCs require a briefing by the staffer on the noms and the MOC has to sign the nom to the SA (they are turned in electronically with original signature by mail) so the noms frequently cannot get done right after interviews unless the MOC is around to sign. In the Eastern districts that's easier but in the West many MOCs cannot get back to their district readily when Congress is in session (unless they are okay with missing votes ... some MOCs do that all the time while others go to great lengths not to miss votes).</p>
<p>Hey all - just got my nomination today - unfortunately I don't have everything else finished in my application packet - will this affect me negatively? I'm working on them feverishly - but some of my teachers have been really flakey about my soe's</p>
<p>don't worry about something you can't change (ie the past), just plow through and get your stuff done.</p>
<p>if you need to, write the letters for your teachers, and go over it with them, asking them to either sign it, or modify and sign. Or sit there as they write them. My counselor last year was really flakey, but I woke up one day and realized, she's not benefiting from this-I am. So I went to school and basically followed her around until everything was done.Then I made her cookies :)</p>
<p>I don't think you should write it and if I also recall correctly the rec is done on line so you can't do it and have them sign. I would politely tell the teacher how much it means to you and if you feel that you are getting nowhere how about asking another teacher? Remember you have until March to complete...of course everybody on your slate will be sitting on their hands waiting for you to complete it.</p>