<p>D wants to be an art teacher. She has a choice of going the BFA route with either an art education degree or a BFA in fine arts. In either case she will go on to graduate school in art education. The first option would allow her to teach straight out of school. Without the undergrad art education degree, she would need to get her master's before teaching.</p>
<p>Admission to all the schools she is looking at are portfolio based (Pratt, NYU, FIT, SVA, SUNY New Paltz, Syracuse, etc.)</p>
<p>Are there any other liberal/arts or universities that offer good art programs for B=/A- students that are non-portfolio based? She needs a program that is strong enough to allow her to get in a master's program in art education. Iwould like some schools like that as safeties just in case her portfolio isn't strong enough or if she doesn't want an art school environment.</p>
<p>Since you are local, do CUNY and somehow stay alive like most of my kid’s teacher have done? go in as undecided, take foundation classes, pick BFA after soph year, then need portfolio/dept. approval.
Low tier LAC that offer BFA, I can not think up other than Hope in Michigan. I am sure there are more. Anyone?
DAAP don’t need portfolio, do they do MAT? hellooo taxguy?</p>
<p>How far would you go?
I did look into UNC Greensboro and was OK to nice. have art ed. UG, I doubt need portfolio to get in.
The South has different way of doing things, like UG museum study major.
It might do if you could work and live there after done schooling, teaching could be tricky license wise state to state.
I volunteered in the art classes in Florence SC elementary school when my kid was there. I felt like, the time stood still since my childhood in 70s.
If any art teacher would make kids do what I saw down there in any “progressive” schools around here… horrors!!!</p>
<p>Savannah College of Art doesn’t require a portfolio to get into. They aren’t the best ranked art school out there, but they absolutely do not suck. </p>
<p>If she has a portfolio, she should submit it anyway. It’s not required for admissions, but it helps, and in addition, they give scholarships based on portfolio.</p>
<p>Thanks for your imput. I have an older D who is in a vocal performance program for musical theatre. On those forums, it is always advised to have a safety–non-audition-school in the mix of where you apply because it is just so competitive. </p>
<p>Younger D is only a sophomore, but has announced that she wants to be an art major (with the intention of becoming an art teacher.) All of the options that I have found seem to have portfolio requirements. I think she will do fine, but wanted some “non-audition” options.</p>
<p>What liberal arts colleges have good art programs for a B+/A- student? She will hopefully do well on SAT/ACT. Right now she has about a 90/91 average weighted.</p>
<p>Would like to have her between Boston and Washington DC area. Not more than 5 or so hours (driving) from NY.</p>
<p>I am not looking for a second rate art school. I would rather find a liberal arts college or university with a good studio art departement as a back up.</p>
<p>There was this goddess of LACs with art, poster named momrath.
I followed what she said and visited quite few.
if she is A+, there are much more choices.
After seeing Vasar and Wesleyan sort, you do see the differences in kids’ attitude and how classes are conducted at say, Con college - my kid and his friend were not impressed at all -but it fit well with what you want.</p>
<p>I highly recommend a portfolio. Your D is a sophomore. I remember from previous post that she might take AP art. I had recommended that she take AP art as a junior, because it will direct her portfolio development in a way that schools like, she will end up with a concentration (some idea that is explored fully) which is what art school portfolio folks like to see. Fall of junior year she can take her stuff to NPD and get feedback. But seriously, I think not having a portfolio if she plans on majoring in art is a bad idea. It will shut out scholarship opportunities, and if she ends up at a LAC, a portfolio is a tremendous plus, its an edge in a otherwise competitive world. My S got into a school that he might not have been competitive for, without the portfolio.</p>
<p>But the thing I wanted to say is this. She will end up with a portfolio. You will be shocked at the amount of growth that occurs in the course of a year. Most colleges ask for 12-20 pieces. If she is taking art classes, AP or precollege or whatever, it will be hard for you to swing a cat and not hit a piece of art she can put in her porfolio. When my S went to art college fair or NPD (I think he may have gone in 10th grade, or possibly beginning of Junior year) he had maybe 5 strong pieces, and a sketchbook that had cool stuff for him to talk about. And those strong pieces were just strong for the time, not even part of his portfolio now. When it came time to apply for college, he had an abundance of work, and had to pick. </p>
<p>My impression is that not submitting a portfolio for someone interested in an art career is not advisable, in part because it will be incredibly easy for her to get one together and schools will wonder why she doesnt have one. Also, MICA has what seems like a really great 5 year BFA/Masters in education program, and they wont give any scholarship money without a portfolio. </p>
<p>Can someone tell me if Im wrong about this. I have only our experience to go by.</p>
<p>If she is working on her art now, she should be good to go with getting a portfolio together. My son got a portfolio of his work organized with very little art experience for SUNY New Paltz. They have guidelines on the website for how to do it. He had only had one drawing class, one photo class and one graphic design class at that time. He included work from all three and got accepted. He is a graphic design student there now.</p>
<p>He had to take one art education class online, due to an injury, and he loved it. It was one of his favorite classes.</p>
<p>Hi switters! D has a portfolio already based on her current work. She needed to put it together for review for a summer program she applied for.</p>
<p>Thanks for your imput, but you misunderstood my intention. She is taking a portfolio development class currently at FIT and will probably attend one at Pratt next year as a junior. This summer she is either doing NYSSA or FIT. The following summer either Pratt pre-college or NYU.</p>
<p>My question was whether art students apply to other colleges that do not require a portfolio to get in? In other fields (like musical theatre) it is common and strongly recommended to have “non-audition” schools as back up in the mix.</p>
<p>Perhaps that is not the case with art because the acceptance rate in programs is so much higher.</p>
<p>As for AP art, she cannot take it junior year, but only senior year…which seems a little after the fact. She will probably want to take it in either case, but has also expressed disappointment that she has only taken Painting and Drawing in school and would have wanted to try something else in the arts like photography, media arts or sculpture. If she takes AP she cannot.</p>
<p>As a parent, I am concerned with her taking AP art because she will be taking other academic AP’s, will have college apps and her spring musical that she is hoping to have a lead in. I just woudl rather her not be overwhelmed senior year when many schools will not accept the AP credit for art anyway.</p>
<p>If she decides not to take it, my concern is whether that would be a negative for some schools.</p>
<p>I totally get it now. I was logging back on to see if my previous post sounded bossy and officious. </p>
<p>My sons bf is theatre major, and he applied to both types of schools as you suggested is common. I think you are correct that this approach is not the case with art schools. </p>
<p>It strikes me as after the fact to take ap art senior year and not junior year. There are two different AP arts that I know of, my s is taking one know (drawng and painting) and did one last year too, 2 D something or other?</p>
<p>How come she cant do the AP art junior year?</p>
<p>Here’s an alternative thought for your backup plan. How about having your daughter apply to some universities as an Art History major. Once accepted she could add Fine Art as a double major or just switch to Fine Art. This way she would have a non-portfolio admit but still get the needed education for her intended teaching career.</p>
<p>At the same time she could apply to many art programs using her portfolio as the main plan.</p>
<p>Towson is non-portfolio based, and has recently put lots of resources into their art department. I had heard good things about both faculty and facilities when my daughter was applying to art programs. </p>
<p>I think U of Delaware also has art ed w/o portfolio. I don’t know much about their program, but my son is a freshman there (Business School) and loves it. Also the campus is lovely.</p>