<p>how soon who forgets what?</p>
<p>i’ve been around bush-haters almost my whole life and i still don’t understand you…</p>
<p>unless you’re from portland ;-P</p>
<p>I’ m guessing the florida incident is what you are referring to?</p>
<p>Global warming is bad…</p>
<p>Oh sorry, I thought this thread was for talking about things having nothing to do with Northwestern’s prestige.</p>
<p>You are right, of course. I guess the reason why we got off-thread is because there really is no issue regarding Northwestern’s prestige!</p>
<p>The ratio of yield to admit rate can be a fair and reasonable estimation of “prestige”:</p>
<p>Yield/Admit Rate , College , Yield , Admit Rate</p>
<p>9.57 , Harvard , 76% , 7.9%
7.90 , Yale , 68% , 8.6%
7.48 , Stanford , 71% , 9.5%
5.96 , Columbia , 60% , 10.0%
5.90 , Princeton , 59% , 9.9%
5.56 , MIT , 66% , 11.9%
4.00 , Brown , 55% , 13.7%
3.70 , U Penn , 63% , 16.9%
3.65 , Dartmouth , 49% , 13.5%
2.22 , Cornell , 46% , 20.7%
2.01 , Notre Dame , 54% , 26.7%
1.98 , Caltech , 34% , 17.4%
1.81 , Duke , 40% , 22.4%
1.52 , Rice , 35% , 23.0%
1.44 , Vanderbilt , 37% , 25.3%
1.38 , Wash U , 30% , 21.7%
1.35 , U Chicago , 38% , 27.9%
1.21 , Northwestern , 32% , 26.2%</p>
<p>If you want to knock off Harvard MBAs, just remember that most of the executives responsible for the economic crisis were all Harvard MBAs</p>
<p>why is the ratio of yield to admit rate a “reasonable estimation of prestige”? If Northwestern primarily shares cross-admits with the Ivies and loses out but wins against universities who primarily share cross-admits with less prestigious schools then what does that say about anything?</p>
<p>yeah that argument doesn’t hold up given that NU is more prestigious than Rice, Vanderbilt, WashU, UChicago, Caltech, Notre Dame, Brown, and in Chicago, Columbia, Cornell and Penn as well.</p>
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<p>It says that Northwestern is less prestigious than the Ivies with which it “primarily shares cross-admits…and loses out.” Do you have a more objective (less biased) measure of “prestige” other than your own personal opinion and/or affiliation?</p>
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<p>What makes you think that Northwestern is more prestigious than the (non-HYP) Ivies and Chicago, let alone Caltech? (The acronym that is sometimes used is HYPSMC; and C is for Caltech.) Keep in mind that Caltech has an extremely self-selecting pool, yet its acceptance rate is still lower than that of Northwestern. </p>
<p>Just because you go to a certain school doesn’t automatically make it more prestigious.</p>
<p>in your own words: “No single statistic can fully explain a sociological phenomenon as complex as “prestige.””</p>
<p>i eat dimsum for breakfast.</p>
<p>I know that Caltech is extremely good and is highly selective, but it’s just not prestigious. Employers will know about it but the vast majority of society will not, not even most Californians I believe. Prestige and rankings don’t always go together. For example, UVA is extremely good in law yet few people know Duke, Cornell, Northwestern, and Georgetown are actually lower-ranked.</p>
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<p>After you finish eating breakfast, try brushing up on your vocabulary:</p>
<p>[Estimation</a> | Define Estimation at Dictionary.com](<a href=“http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/estimation]Estimation”>ESTIMATION Definition & Usage Examples | Dictionary.com)</p>
<p>In my own words: “The ratio of yield to admit rate can be a fair and reasonable estimation of prestige.”</p>
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<p>Prestige =/= Name Recognition</p>
<p>More Americans “know about” Notre Dame than Northwestern. Is ND more prestigious than NU?</p>
<p>well from the link you gave me…</p>
<p>estimation-
noun
1.
judgment or opinion: In my estimation the boy is guilty.</p>
<p>and from what you said:</p>
<p>“Do you have a more objective (less biased) measure of “prestige” other than your own personal opinion and/or affiliation?”</p>
<p>I don’t think yours is too objective either then?</p>
<p>Did you (intentionally) miss this definition?</p>
<p>estimation-
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3.
approximate calculation; estimate: to make an estimation of one’s expenditures.</p>
<p><a href=“http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/estimation[/url]”>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/estimation</a></p>
<p>P.S. How can a ratio (of yield to admit rate) be a “judgment” or “opinion” of anything?</p>
<p>Again, in my own words: “The ratio of yield to admit rate can be a fair and reasonable estimation of prestige.”</p>
<p>Dimsum, the problem with your ratio as a measure of prestige, rather than merely name recognition, is it is using the wrong people to determine prestige. College applicants are more or less by definition unaware of what is prestigious and not- they’re HS seniors (for the most part). What that ratio shows is how many students apply, how hard it is to get in, and how appealing each school is. While you could say that reflects prestige, that is at best a penumbra. People are more likely to apply to the best known schools- i.e. Harvard isn’t THAT much harder to get into except that everyone applies, and everyone applies because everyone knows the name. Name recognition drives prestige in many ways, but as you noted they’re not the same.</p>
<p>Personally, I think its not an important debate. NU is prestigious. Saying it in the same breath as Harvard isn’t ridiculous. Neither is saying it in the same breath as Johns Hopkins. I tend to think saying Johns Hopkins in the same breath as Harvard IS somewhat more of a stretch. So NU is somewhere between the two. Your metric is arbitrary but seems to work (mostly)- do you really think Rice is more prestigious anywhere outside the Lone Star State?</p>
<p>Only on CC does this argument matter.</p>
<p>lol i should come up with my own university.</p>
<p>i will accept one person out of 100 and that person will come and i will be super selective and ‘prestigious’ because I will have a great ratio with 100% yield and 1% selectivity.</p>
<p>Northwestern is pretty darn prestigious. I mean, many people that care about universities and colleges internationally know the school.
And its ranked around about the 20~35th best uni around the world.</p>
<p>What is the point talking about whether it’s prestigious enough?
Prestige is more like an image in people’s mind, rather than US News ranking and selectivity.
I dont think you can measure a school’s presitge precisely - like many did in the thread.</p>
<p>dimsum123,</p>
<p>NU used to have close to 40% yield but that was when NU was competing more with its peers. Now it’s sharing more cross-admit with HYPMS and lose out more. You can’t just use yield when you don’t really know the details of the cross-admit battles.</p>
<p>By the way, you totally missed what others were saying. It’s your opinion that that silly ratio is the estimation. Your interpretation of it holds no water. Technically, yield/admit rate has no physical meaning.</p>
<p>How would you guys compare WASHU and Northwestern in terms of name recognition and prestige? I kind of want to know which would stand out more.</p>