<p>Responding to the original poster. Not getting into a frat or soror is really not the end of the world. Life goes on, the earth continues to turn and all that great ********. Plus sororities and fraternities are not the institutions they used to be in their inception. Its not about helping the community at large, leadership or philanthrophy. Parties and social agendas seem to be the only thing Greek Life is about now-a-days. Its SO not worth rushing. Ever.</p>
<p>Rushing is definitely worth it..if you like "parties and social agendas".</p>
<p>Sure if your into mindless entertainment. But if you really think in some way your helping the surrouding comm. or the comm. on your campus by joining these social cults your sadly mistaken. Get involved in some other organization. Your not going to be able to help any one at a Keger.</p>
<p>You're* </p>
<p>.....uhm yeah</p>
<p>let me guess..everyone who thinks they have an idea as to what sororities and fraternities do for the surrounding community have never actually been in one, right? wow, what a novel concept.</p>
<p>I'm in a sorority...we do our fair share of philanthropy. I didn't join for the philanthropy, though. Ray, your posts seem to have undertones of bitterness...</p>
<p>i'm in a sorority and i joined for the overall experience.</p>
<p>Ray have you not read ANY of my previous posts on this thread? I think you should read at least a few posts on the thread before posting on it.</p>
<p>And FYI just this Tuesday my frat teamed up with another frat and a couple of srats to hold a blood drive with the Red Cross. Frats do this kind of thing all the time, learn before you speak!</p>
<p>but at the same time, so does practically every other organization on campus. i mean, in my time in college i built four houses, cleaned up various streets, did countless things for the american cancer society and participated in numerous other activities.. without ever having to pay any type of "dues".</p>
<p>Congratulations? He was saying fraternities and sororities only existed for parties and we're saying that he's simply incorrect.</p>
<p>Oh wow a blood drive!!!!!!! Whats next world peace lead by every frat and soror in the country. Get the **** out of hear!!!!!!!!! Lets see the only reason as to why many Greek organizations do what they call" community service" (and I use this term very loosely) is because on most college campuses you are required to do so in order to stay and organization. For example: My sister is in Sigma Alpha Chi a Latina Sorority out of Missouri State University. They are REQUIRED to do do 20 hours of comm. service per active members they have. So lets do the math. 5 active members = what boys and girls..........100 hours of comm. service!! If these types of regulations werent pushed upon Greek Organizations I highly doubt youd have so many blood drives Dima!!!!</p>
<p>And side note whom ever said I was bitter I have no reason to be. I am just really disgusted at the state many of the Greek organizations are in on my campus. Its sad.</p>
<p>Ray, I don't know what school you go to or the state of Greek Life there but don't judge Greek Life nationwide by the state of it in your school. There was a Hispanic gang in my junior high school. That doesn't mean I'm going to believe that all Hispanic people engage in gang activities. </p>
<p>Secondly, there is NO community service required of organizations by my school. A blood drive is only ONE example of community service Greek organizations do.</p>
<p>And if you're going to steal an expression from my hometown, at least learn to spell 'here', it's only four letters - like another word you seem fond of using on a public forum.</p>
<p>What are some factors for not getting into a frat??? Like if ya live off-campus or are like too old to be in one??</p>
<p>I don't log in very often, but from what I gather, Lucifer died. He sounded like a nice kid. Regardless, he is gone and gone is forever. It is so sad. I feel so bad for his mom. I feel bad for the people who gave him a hard time here. He was only trying to express his point of view.</p>
<p>I think we should have a moment of silence for him, and I hope that he is at peace in heaven with God. And may God please take care of his family at this horrible time.</p>
<p>rayj28-</p>
<p>if you aren't judging then why use phrases like "your little sorority"? it is degrading and condescending and i hardly think you're trying to convey anything remotely positive with the comments you are making against greek life. your posts are so overly aggressive that i hardly want to imagine what you're like in real life. the state of the greek community varies from school to school. hey, i am the first one to admit that some universities have fraternities and sororities that give greek organizations a horrible name, nationally. but you have to understand that several colleges have a positive greek life, and offer excellent opportunities for members. </p>
<p>honestly, we all know that sororities and fraternites are known for being social organizations. i certainly know all the stereotypes: paying for your friends, coughing up cash for constant entrance to the most insane parties, supporting a free ground for casual sex encounters, etc. however, its much more than that. the greek community at my school really surprised me, and i'm sure i would be surprised at many universities. </p>
<p>yes, i am in a sorority, and yes, previously to coming to berkeley, i had an abundance of reservations about going greek. but i soon realized that if i continued stereotyping, i was going to miss out on some amazing friendships. i've recently found myself developing better study habits (i can rely on my sisters who are in the same major to help me out, and we also have group study hours and they're very helpful), i am more confident and self assured (having 70+ girls who have my back is a comforting feeling), and after doing so much for the surrouding community (my sorority is very active), i've wanted to join more organizations because it feels so good and the outcome is wonderful.</p>
<p>yes, we have exchanges with other fraternities, and invitationals to the city. and even though those activities may seem trivial, they're not. being in these environments have taught me how to protect myself and still have fun, and have reaffirmed my trust in my girl friends. it's also a great way to network and form friendships in college.</p>
<p>please understand that those in greek houses are there because they love it. they're certainly going to defend it; wouldn't you defend your best friends and the activities you do together?</p>
<p>i would suggest decreasing the anger in your posts. someone is going to report it as offensive, so i would watch your tongue. i'm not here to correct your grammar or insult you. i'm just trying to offer a different view and make sure you know that people are bound to get defensive if you bash something so important to them.</p>
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<p>Izzie Bear</p>
<p>Ray probably just didn't get a bid from any frats, what a shame.</p>
<p>Ray, I would appreciate if you could at least have the decency to look at even one or two of my posts on this forum and notice my references to 'my fraternity'. If you cannot do that and at the very least get my GENDER right when it is so clear from my posts, it is difficult for me to respect anything you say.</p>
<p>Another suggestion - look over YOUR own old posts before yelling about what you were and were not saying. Your last post yells about how you're not judging my 'sorority' when you mention the greek organizations at your school yet in previous posts you used your sister's experience to criticize Greek Life as a whole. Clearly you don't read through my posts as I pulled out "some Hispanic gang stereotype" not to insult your sister or her sorority but to criticize you for doing exactly that - stereotyping.</p>
<p>these days, so many people just assume all fraternities to be like the ones in Animal House.............what a shame.</p>
<p>it would not be inaccurate to say that AH represents the stylized extremes in frats. Most fall much closer to the middle with some partiers and a few climbers.</p>
<p>Im not stereotyping any one or anything. I am only stating what Ive seen on MY college campus. If YOU read through my post Dima you would have seen that Im not insulting your sorority directly, just the way alot of the Greek Organizations are run. My jadedness may stem from the fact that the frats and sorors on my campus are in a very sad state. I dont understand the point of these institutions at all which is why I never pleged and dont intend to. Izzie I understand your reasons for joining the sisterhood, leadership, etc. They were all valid points. But I have a sister and an amazing best friend and other close friends to whom I share my experiences with like you do with your sorority sisters. I developed leadership skills long before college and have always had confidence. I just believe that there is so much hypocriscy and contridiction in the Greek Organizations on my campus that has really turned me off the the entire process. Perhaps it was wrong of me to make such a sweeping generalization about other chapters, but as I said its very hard to have faith in organizations who cant esentially live up to the standards they seemingly set.</p>
<p>I dont think that my comments have been really agressive. I speak my mind and dont really sugar coat anything for any body.That is the way Ive always been. Most people just cant handle it. Thus, I dont think I should have to bite my tounge or have to apologize for what I say Izzie. If you feel offended you can go ahead and report me. Thats your call.</p>
<p>Ray, once again, please read all my posts before responding to them because my last post was to ask you to get my sex right. How do you go on thinking I'm a sorority girl when just three posts above yours I tell you that I am a guy and ask you to get my gender right? As much fun as it would be for me to join a sorority and as much as I was talking about how much I love sisterhood (since that is one of the reasons you seem to think I give), the sororities here didn't let me join. So all those sorority sisters you think I have . . . nonexistant. I'm not insulted that you're insulting my nonexistant sorority, I'm insulted that you can't get my gender right even after I corrected you.</p>