<p>okay, then what does "ivy league material" mean</p>
<p>I am not tryng to be difficult, but when the term is used, it is often used in a way to denigrate a person for not being able for the "top" for whatever reason, and we as parents should not perpitrate that idea</p>
<p>My D doesn't have the grades for ivy acceptence, but she has the brains, the stamina, the passion for any school...and so do lots of kids, so to use that phrase bothers me, it also implies that other schools are "lesser" becuase they aren't an ivy, and when we do that we do a disservice to great kids and great schools</p>
<p>it is like saying, you aren't good enough, so don't even think you are</p>
<p>Since she is willing to come to NC for ASU, she might want to check out East Carolina University. It's on the opposite end of the state from ASU but has a great art school and the whole town of Greenville is football crazy for the Pirates.</p>
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<p>Elon is a great school, I'm not sure of how their majors fit into your d.'s plans, but I know they are strong in comm. and theatre arts. At least if you do a visit, they are only about 25min apart, so easy to take a look at both.</p>
<p>NC state is well known for textiles/design and again wouldn't be far from the above to if you are doing a trip through this area. </p>
<p>APP STATE! lol my favorite adventure camp..in nc one of my counselors is a senior there now...ehh if u dont mind being in the middle of nowhere its not bad its my kinda place...its right near one of my favorite national forests(i was in the forest w/ him...and my group in another part of NC!)</p>
<p>Since you have Radford on your visit list, I would suggest a little detour and stop at Va Tech. They have studio/visual arts and fashion design. If I remember, they have very good programs, due to the architecture school and their apparel design department. It is a large school, but I think it would provide your daughter with many opportunities. It is definitely worth a look.</p>
<p>I just quickly checked the VT site and there are majors in apparel design, merchandising management, studio arts and visual communicating design. The first two are offered thru the school of liberal arts and human development (or something like that) and the last two are thru the architectural school.</p>
<p>I second East Carolina Univ in NC to the OP - good ra ra school too - football, basketball, baseball, etc............. GO PIRATES!!!</p>
<p>One bonus point also is - rolling admissions :) - but keep in mind tho that the NC schools are limited to ~~18% out of state students - so if interested at all - do the application as soon as you can - it is also nice to have that one acceptance in hand too - but it is a good program.</p>
<p>Another thing to consider is that if for any reason - your student decides to change direction - in many respects being at a big school can make that process a bit easier. OOS tuition in NC is also fairly reasonable.</p>
<p>For some reason , UNC Asheville did not do it for her. She did like ECU art department, but said the school felt huge. I encouraged her to give that a second chance. </p>
<p>Unfortunately she did not visit V Tech, so we'll probably take a look at that. </p>
<p>One note: I certainly did not intend to sound denigrating (to others & certainly not to my own daughter!) with the "not ivy league material" heading. This site leans heavily to the very competitive schools, so I figured it was a more catchy grabline. If I upset anyone, please accept my apologies.</p>
<p>Cazenovia College is frequently overlooked and smaller than the size your daughter has identified, but it's an interesting school for motivated and capable students who have not necessarily earned A's. Their Fashion Studies program is supposed to be well-regarded. I don't know details of the program, but I do know two very bright young women who are presently studying in other programs at Caz and very happy there. Also, a long time ago I taught there for one semester (not in the Fashion area) and was very impressed with the bright, engaged, active students in my class -- much more so than the sleepwalkers I'd encountered at a couple of other schools that had higher rankings.</p>