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<p>I'm trying out for the NSO Youth Fellowship Program, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to manage it. I'm interested in getting a music major in viola (although my parents aren't completely supportive of that) with pre-med and I'd love to be part of this program. The only problem is that the I'm going to TJHSST and I'm not sure if I'll be able to manage my grades there since I know freshmen who have had to quit orchestra programs which just meet for 2.5 hours a week.</p>

<p>Would being part of this program and not having perfect grades override not being in the program and having a higher GPA?</p>

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Override to accomplish what? What is it you are trying to do? If you are trying to be accepted as a music major in a conservatory environment, the GPA is not as important as the audition. If you are auditioning for the NSO program, I assume you have a private teacher working with you to help you accomplish your music goals. </p>

<p>However, going to TJHSST (Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology) is not the path to a conservatory music major. It is academically intense and you would have to be super at organization, time management and perhaps superhuman in the hours to complete everything. It sound like you are entering your freshman year? To be a music major in a strong conservatory or university program, you will need to practice many hours a day. There are others here with more experience in the requirements for viola, but music is a demanding mistress. Do you have it in you to devote the hours needed for both?</p>

<p>If you are not even a freshman in high school yet, it is way too early to be thinking about a pre-med major, or worrying about college at all. </p>

<p>But you should know that medical schools welcome majors of all kinds in admissions, and I have even read that they prefer those who were not “premed.” You can major in English, or music, or whatever you have a “passion” for. In fact, as a group, music majors have the highest acceptance rate of any major, in terms of admissions to med school (I read 66% acceptance rate, but that was awhile ago, still, you get the idea).</p>

<p>Often, young people think about the work world in neat categories (med, law, business etc.) when the work world is a lot more complex than that. College really shouldn’t be about vocation (though people seem to be changing on this, unfortunately). And you should expect to change your mind about major quite a bit in the next few years. This is healthy! Just let yourself explore, for now.</p>

<p>If you love music, and love playing the viola, maybe you would consider another school, at some point, if you goals become more clear. Or, maybe you can do music outside of school, at, for instance, one of the conservatory preps in NYC (Juilliard, Manhattan School of Music), on Saturdays. Or a regional orchestra.</p>

<p>I always feel badly when a love of music is pitted against goals involving GPA. I know there may be family pressures involved, and you are still very young to decide on priorities for your life, but I do hope you can continue with your instrument.</p>

<p>Do you like science as much as music?</p>

<p>I tend to agree, if you aren’t in high school yet then it may be early to worry about the issues you are talking about (though it is great you are thinking ahead and asking questions. </p>

<p>As you surmise, being in an academically challenging environment in high school and pursuing music at a serious level (i.e defined as trying to get into a top music program, whether conservatory or in an LAC; sounds like you are leaning towards dual major music performance/pre med rather then stand alone conservatory, and I am going to assume that with what I have to offer) is difficult</p>

<p>The problem with answering your question is there is no reliable way to know; if someone is really gifted in music, for example, but has GPA/SAT’s/etc that are a bit less then what a typical admit has, they potentially could get leeway in admissions, from everything I have heard, but there is no science to that either. A lot of it depends on how good the student is and also needs of the school (if a school is trying to build up its music program, for example, as several ivies are reputed to be doing, it could help that the person is on an instrument they need or want). The real answer is there is no way to know until you actually go for admission, audition, etc and the dynamics of that year play out.</p>

<p>You are wise in assuming that going to an academically rigorous school and pursuing music at a high level is going to be difficult, there is no doubt about it. I don’t care what instrument you are on, it doesn’t matter, you are going to need to put a lot of work into the music and into the academics, to achieve your goal. Put it this way, if you are serious about pursuing music at a high level to get into a top program and potentially get a performance degree, it isn’t something you do practicing 30 minutes a day or an hour a day, it generally takes a lot of work in the range of several hours a day or more, depending on instrument/program (a vocalist practicing the number of hours a violinist does would ruin their voice, for example). To get into the top music programs, conservatory or associated with an LAC, requires that kind of discipline, it is as competitive or more competitive then admissions to the top academic schools and requires the same kind of discipline, if not more. </p>

<p>Can it be done? Yes, it can be, the top pre college music programs have kids who are both musically up there and academic superstars, many of them end up going to ivy caliber schools and could probably get into the top conservatory programs if that was their bent (many of the kids in the pre college programs have no intention of going into music after high school). It takes a lot of discipline to do so, and they probably will tell you that they wouldn’t assume that music would make up for their grades or scores being behind the top applicants.</p>

<p>BTW, getting into a pre college program will require a lot of committment in of itself, in some cases I kind of wonder if it isn’t harder to get into them then it is into a top music program in college (not level, but rather the competition to get in), it will take a lot of discipline just to get into one of them, and the work just keeps on. </p>

<p>A couple of other points for you to consider:</p>

<p>-Pre med is not a major, it is a pre-professional program. In theory (and take this with a grain of salt) you could major in music and also take the required courses in the pre med track (generally, unless it has changed much, it is a year of inorganic chem, a year of organic chem, a year of physics, year of bio (at least), plus possibly bio chem plus associated math courses), so you would major in music performance with a pre med concentration (whether a school would let you do that I don’t know). As someone pointed out, doing something like music with a pre med program might actually help, since it stands out from the ‘traditional’ path. </p>

<p>-If you major in music performance as a pre med, keep in mind that doing so is going to be as hard or harder then it was in high school, the demands of a performance degree are not small, it requires hours of practice, ensemble playing, theory, ear training and so forth, to do a music major with pre med, which is heavily weighted towards science, is extremely difficult. This would be even more demanding if you decided to dual major in music and a science, like chemistry…</p>

<p>-If you simply like music, want to keep playing it, there are other options. Instead of majoring in music, you could keep playing viola in college as a non major, take lessons and so forth, without the rigor of a performance degree. Many of the LAC’s have student orchestras and such open to non majors, the ivies have some pretty good ones for example, and of course there are youth symphonies and such that allow college age kids to be part of them. Not saying you shouldn’t pursue the dual major or whatever, if that is what you want to do, just saying there is an alternative, depending on what you want to do.</p>

<p>The NSO Fellowship is intended for those who have already committed to becoming orchestral musicians, or at least to studying with that goal in mind. It doesn’t sound as if you have made this commitment, at least not yet. It is not like playing in the local orchestra, such as the American Youth Philharmonic Program, where so many TJSST students play. There are only 20 slots, lessons are free, and they will hopefully be filled with students who have already made this commitment and already are practicing at least several hours per day, studying at music camps during the summer, etc. </p>

<p>Attending TJSST is also a big commitment, and you are to be congratulated on your admission to the top pubic school in the US, where students generally already have straight 800 scores on their SATs or the equivalent just to be admitted.</p>

<p>Well the thing is that I’m not sure what I want to do more: music or science. On one hand, neuroscience fascinates me and I can talk about it to no end, but I also love to play in an orchestra and I feel energized after a rehearsal. I fell like I can’t be without either of them, which is why I can’t really make a decision.</p>

<p>I hope you can keep both options open for a time, since you are so young. What are you doing this summer?</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>I personally go to TJ, and depending on how you can cope with the stress of the workload, it is possible. I know a bunch of people who were able to keep 4.0 GPAs and be first chairs at more localized orchestras and bands. Your decision would also be determined by where you live, because commuting takes a lot of time. Freshmen year is not that hard once you get the hang of the best ways to study for certain classes and deal with procrastination. Your BigSib can help you with this – so sign up! If you think that you are fairly organized, I say go for it. You’ll find a great support system at TJ from the teachers, the counselors, and the administrators. Also, good grades are great, but you also need to have extracurricular activities.</p>