<p>As The Admission Season Is Coming To A Close...i Would Like To Make A Few Remarks....</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins Is A Great Institution...and I Hope Not To Show Any Disrespect. But I Most Point Out One Major Issue: Tufts Syndrome</p>
<p>1) Jhu Officers Well Know That They Are Number One When It Comes To Bme</p>
<p>2) If One Doesn't Get Into Bme, Jhu Knows That One Will Not Necessarily Choose To Remain At Jhu...thus...they Waitlist The Applicant To See If He/she Has Any Further Interest...</p>
<p>3) Jhu Also Tends To Reject Overqualified Candidates As My School As Lately Seen. Those Candidats Who End Up Going To Schools Like Harvard And Yale.</p>
<p>Thus I Hope To Show That One Must Beware When One Applies To Jhu B/c One Might Not Get What One Deserves. I Seriously Hope That Jhu Doesn't Follows Tufts And Wash U In Its Syndrome Of Waitlistees...</p>
<p>and if one thinks i am a bitter applicant...i am not...i got into those three schools (wash u, tufts, and jhu) but i am just warning fellow applicants later on...basically i am trying to tell people not to treat johns hopkins as a safety/match school...</p>
<p>Yep...johns Hopkins Is A Tufts Type School...</p>
<p>There is no "Tufts" syndrome except in the minds of the uninformed. All top schools decline admission to well qualified candidates simply because far more qualified people apply than can be admitted. Since not all schools are looking for the same things, and because the applicant pool to each school is different, it is not at all surprising that there are people who are admitted to Harvard or Yale who are declined admission to JHU, Tufts, or Wash U. The opposite is also true (and undoubtedly more common).</p>
<p>calling me misinformed is not the way to go as I have been through the process.
It is beyond truth whether through the interntaional community or the US itself that the prestige level and uniqueness of HYP trumps any school. It is far too obvious that the candidates of any HYP are stronger and that if an adcom committee had any brains they would know that HYP candidates are the cream of the crop. HYP admitted > JHU admitted (and all other lesser Ivies and top schools). Its a fact! Thus to play with statistics JHU declines these people. All JHU is interested in is raisng their rankings. This university needs to learn to some things...</p>
<p>First off, what's with all the caps...it's rather annoying.
Second, i'm not too sure about JHU rejecting overqualified candidates. A boy at my school got in as well as to Columbia and Yale... also my cousin got in to JHU, but she'll be going to Stanford instead.</p>
<p>Not very scientific are you? It is, of course, true that the "average" admittee at Harvard has stronger numbers than the "average" admittee at Hopkins. That is to say that the median GPA and standardized scores at Harvard are higher. That statistic, while true, does not enable anyone to predict with any accuracy the results of an individual admissions decision. Undergraduate admissions is not simply a numbers game (if you were talking law school admissions, which is a numbers game, you would be closer to the mark) and there are many factors which are not easily quantified. Essays, for example, may vary by school and, even if identical, may be viewed quite differently by different admissions officers. Hopkins might need a trumpet player for the pep band while Harvard might not. There simply are far too many variables to conclude that because one person is admitted to Harvard and not Hopkins, that that is evidence of Tuft's Syndrome.</p>
<p>You should take a statistics course.</p>
<p>bonanza...i actually can't wait to take a statistics course. thanks for the advice.</p>
<p>however, because jhu consistently rejects top applicants...it is still falling within Tufts syndrome. Because is a consistent happening, my theory holds....bonanza....u need to take a statistics course as well!</p>
<p>And what is your evidence that this "is a consistent happening?" You don't cite any and I strongly suspect you don't have any. What I think you are doing is drawing conclusions from anecdotal incidents. Anecdotes are not evidence. You need real data to draw conclusions, and I don't think you have any.</p>
<p>Could it be that your friends capitalized every word in their personal statements? Could it be that they were not what Hopkins was looking for?</p>
<p>Oh no, jump right to the waitlist conclusion, because Hopkins waitlists sooo many applicants (sarcasm) and draws sooo many applicants from the waitlist (sarcasm). I mean, we're worse than WashU, who has a waitlist with more heads than has the enrolling class!</p>
<p>i'm a waitlisted BME student along with a few other friends... collectively, we got into MIT, stanford, cornell, duke, northwestern, columbia, and upenn... we often joke around about it cause i mean it is kinda odd... i'm not saying that this is necessarily "tuft's" syndrome, and i'm not trying to make excuses.... i'm just throwing it out there</p>
<p>yeah see...danielhstennis08 agrees...he and his friends can be considered parts of my long list of data...believe i know a good amt of people in that situation. coolguyusa123...are you trying to say that when i say friends i mean myself...b/c you are totally wrong...i mean i turned down johns hopkins...not the other way around...and if u r trying to act smug about urself...that you got into jhu..its not a big deal...their acceptance rate is off the charts..they aren't that selective...as much as duke, stanford, mit, etc...so your point is taken off the board....and back to bonanza...i have a good amount of data...in fact i could start a case against johns hopkins about their admission practices....then see that university presitge go down the drain...</p>
<p>I think the best approach to understand the highly selective admissions process is that a student admitted to any institution STOOD OUT for whatever reason or was EXTREMELY UNIQUE within their applicant pool. Since applicant pools differ from school to school, one can never know where they will stand out. Further, schools are ACTIVELY looking for certain types of students who are rare on their campus for whatever reason. </p>
<p>It is possible to stand out in the Harvard applicant pool and not in the Yale/Hopkins/Stanford etc. pool. Further, knowing simply grades/SAT scores are NOT enough to inform the process (or make accusations of Tufts Syndrome) when there are SO SO SO many factors that we as students may never see which can push a student to be admitted such as athletic recruit, legacy, URM, unique choice of major, donations, family connections, published research, 1st generation, low income, etc. </p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>Student 1: 4.0, 1440, admitted
Student 2: 3.9, 1560, waitlisted</p>
<p>Does this look like Tufts syndrome? Some would say yes. Now, if Student 1 was a legacy, or athletic recruit, or SOMETHING the school was interested in.... now all of a sudden it doesn't. You just don't know enough about the individual applications here, or the entire pool of thousands to allege any consistent behavior. </p>
<p>To the above poster, you and your friends have amazing options, but I don't think anyone would find it surprising you didn't get into Hopkins BME, it's the #1 program in the US - everyone and their mom applies to Hopkins BME - of all schools that offer BME, they have the pick of the litter.</p>
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2) If One Doesn't Get Into Bme, Jhu Knows That One Will Not Necessarily Choose To Remain At Jhu...thus...they Waitlist The Applicant To See If He/she Has Any Further Interest...
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They admit a lot of people who were denied bme, even those that had an application that pretty much screamed 'I'm not going here if I don't get into bme!'
The two selection committees are separate anyway.</p>
<p>And enough with the Tuft's syndrome... schools like Tuft's, JHU, and WashU have more than enough qualified applicants that they have to turn away some that may appear overqualified.</p>
<p>A few data points does not imply causation not are they statistically significant enough to draw conclusions. I myself got into Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Duke and still got into Hopkins. I can name 10 people off of the top of my head that got into these other schools and Hopkins too who are at Hopkins now. These threads at selective schools' forums are ridiculous. It really reflects on the applicant. Hell, there was a tufts syndrome thread at Stanford's forum too:</p>
<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/510791-stanford-lost-my-respect.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/510791-stanford-lost-my-respect.html</a></p>
<p>Furthermore, learn what Tuft's syndrome and the WUSTL waitlisting really means. It means they admit a minimal number of applicants and waitlist the majority. The result? They enroll a substantial number from the waitlist to obtain 100% yield on these applicants while artificially lowering the acceptance rate. That really sounds like Hopkins right? Considering Hopkins enrolled 20 people from the waitlist this year and 1 the year before (CLEARLY a MAJORITY of the class, right?). But of course, it must be Hopkins is admitting lower quality applicants more likely to attend. I guess this is further evidenced by the higher 2190 math+verbal Median Admitted SAT score this past year, right? </p>
<p>This is Hopkins US News' admissions info for waitlists:</p>
<p>Out-of-state freshmen:
86%
Qualified applicants offered a place on waiting list:
2,618
Applicants accepting a place on waiting list:
1,258
Students enrolled from waiting list:
1</p>
<p>And this is what WUSTL AND TUFTS' admissions page reads:</p>
<p>Qualified applicants offered a place on waiting list:
N/A
Applicants accepting a place on waiting list:
N/A
Students enrolled from waiting list:
N/A</p>
<p>Hm....I wonder why.</p>
<p>I'm not gonna bother reading it, just because of the caps. </p>
<p>Seriously, wow.</p>
<p>i'm sure daniel was suprised that he didn't get into hopkins...not the bme hopkins part anyways...getting into jhu isn't too hard....getting into bme at jhu is very tough...i am not debating that...i am just trying to show that jhu is trying to act like the big ivies and proving to thousands of college applicants that it should not be treated as a safety although it should be treated as a safety to people who have about a 4.0 and 2250/2400....regardless...jhu is really a cutthroat school where the fun goes to die...who would wanna go there?</p>
<p>georgeyang89.....ur attitude is a typical johns hopkins student attitude which i will quote, " i am too good...i go to johns hopkins...we are better than everyone else so we will reject overqualified candidates so we can better our rankings with our yield and acceptance rate" thank god i didn't choose jhu....</p>
<p>Look Devilknight, no one has outright insulted you. So please, don't come here and insult JHU. All these schools are great but theres really no need for slander of any great university. Duke is great but has its flaws too. Nonetheless, in the end they are all great universities.</p>
<p>agreed i shouldn't have but there are people who outright insulted me...just take a look at the people who quoted my upper case writing and insinuated that i was lying about the fact that i got into jhu...take a good luck and you'll see that they are people going to jhu...thus i rest my case...and blah2009 did u go to jhu ever? or did u go to stanford for undergrad?</p>