<p>The inevitable progression in the discussion of macs and viruses. Think bout this, what would happen if someone made a virus for mac, and it worked? It would forever dispel the myth that Mac's are impervious to attack. That person would forever be known as the guy who cracked the mac and suck the Apple ship. So why has it never happened? Because my OS doesnt let things install themselves without my permission. Always asks for my password, every time. That means no spyware, to worms, nothing attaching itself to my HD. You may think theres an OS X myth just like the MHz myth produced by ehhem...but were actually telling the truth.</p>
<p>well, in my opinion......after using a PC since i was in 4th grade...... now....after all that experience i want to try something new when i go to CAL...and so that's why i considered an apple.....when i went to the apple store.....i was shocked to see that it was DIFFICULT to use the MAC OS....and the one mouse button.....apples are really nice, and i guess its gonna be a good change...and i dont mind adapting to it....so for me....im thinking about the G4......but who knows...i might stumble across a toshiba ....lol.....but yea whatever i get....im ALWAYS taking it to class...sWEET...... teachers dont care in college !!!! hahah ok ill stop..</p>
<p>darkhelmet is obviously an eecs major or he wouldn't be so adamant in proving his point about the inferiority of apples. </p>
<p>Mr. Darkhelmet, I was in the same boat as you a few years ago. Bashing apples for their lack of compatibility with major PC programs. Over time I gradually started to care less about proving my point about PC's and finally I used a mac seriously. I bought my first powerbook in January of this year. Holy eff windows sucks bawls. </p>
<p>However, I still use windows to play video games. That is the mac's only weakness. (That and the CAD software the eecs students use)</p>
<p>"btw, i actually dual boot with SuSE and ur right, i don't use it that much either, tho im still saying its better than a mac os"</p>
<p>OS X is based off of *nix (BSD to be more exact and BSD is a perfectly fine operating system). Please stop talking.</p>
<p>Macs have a one button mouse because the system is designed to only need one.</p>
<p>Stop spreading this anti-virus crap. Every system that is plugged in will be vulnerable, it's up to the people to find it. I remember seeing many proof of concepts for viruses for Macs and yes they did work.</p>
<p>A computer is only as secure as the user. It doesn't matter what operating system you're using, if you don't know what you're doing, it's bound to break and be infected with viruses and spyware.</p>
<p>The one thing about OS X is that there haven't been any viruses/trojans that are able to spread automatically.</p>
<p>"darkhelmet is obviously an eecs major" - There will always be some idiot making the rest of the group look bad.</p>
<p>And if it makes any difference, I just ordered my laptop today (XPS 2 w/ 35% off) and I'll be triple-booting with Gentoo, Win2k3, XP MCE (although I may drop MCE).</p>
<p>One last thing:</p>
<p>"Because my OS doesnt let things install themselves without my permission. Always asks for my password, every time. That means no spyware, to worms, nothing attaching itself to my HD."</p>
<p>"For the convenience of users, most widgets automatically install themselves. But experts fear any program that auto-installs is ripe for exploitation."</p>
<p>"Further, there is no immediate way to delete a widget that has been installed. According to Tiger's own Help file, "You cannot remove widgets from the Widget Bar or change their order."</p>
<p>Both of those quotes are from Wired.com: <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,67484,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2%5B/url%5D">http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,67484,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2</a></p>
<p>So stop hiding behind this elitist crap. Secure your own system, don't blame the operating system. Most of the viruses and spyware do not install themselves but rather require user interaction.</p>
<p>Actually i was aware of the widget problem and it did seem a little worrysome that they self install, which is the reason i havent installed any new ones and don't get any other than those made by apple and distributed through thier website. And i don't blame my OS for problems which i, in the first place dont have. If i get a virus sometime sure, ill be the first to admit it, but there is a reason why there are almost no viruses, and thats because the OS in general is much more secure. And i wouldnt exactly call it elitist, because that really implies superiority and exclusivity. Conceited maybe, but not elitist :) In the end, if you know how to use other operating systems and youre cool with what you use, and you dont have problems, then all the better cause theres certainly a whole lot more software out there. But for a lot of people, myself included, there came a time (#3,402,984th BSOD) when i just got tired of using that POS and a Mac was a welcome change. For a lot of people its a viable option, and ruling it out as a possiblity is too hasty.</p>
<p>My intentions for those two posts were to counter the idiocies spewed by darkhelmet.</p>
<p>While I agree Windows has some severe deficiencies in terms of security, much of the blame falls on the average user who will gladly click on an e-mail that says "VIRUS!!!!!!" or "Enlarge your pen15" and other crap like that.</p>
<p>Each operating system has its deficiencies. Windows has its security issues but it's main stream and there's software for almost everything.</p>
<p>OS X is gaining a foot hold but as a gamer, most new games do not support it.</p>
<p>Linux - While Cedega is a great program it still has its limits. Etc.</p>
<p>Each operating system caters to a specific niche except for Windows which is the general average run-of the mill.</p>
<p>Ease of use and stability are major pluses to OSX, and though I have no programming experience, it seems they are continuing to strengthen the OS as a viable programming platform. Gaming...sadly too many game companies either do not have the resources themselves, or no outside publisher wishes to take on the project of porting a game which may or may not be successful in a considerably small market. A few game studios, Blizzard most notably, have taken the time and effort to have dual-release titles which are quite nice. While most of the smaller, less widely known titles are never actually ported, a few of the better games are ported relatively quickly and run quite nicely on a dual 2.0 G5 with 4.5 gigs of ram :) But if there are fewer games, maybe that just means youll have to find something else to waste your time on while procrastinating and not doing your homework...</p>
<p>Macs are too babyish and colorful for my liking. The PC is made for men. It's square, plain, makes noise, and gets the job done.</p>
<p>lol.....since when did this turn into a Mac vs. PC debate? That discussion will NEVER end. People buy what they want and they have different needs.</p>
<p>is HP not popular in america? i searched this forum and with the exception of one or two, mostly found people talking/backing the dells, ibms and apples. just wondering whether i should get tht HP i was thinking about after all.</p>
<p>DarkPyr0, relax man
"to counter the idiocies spewed by darkhelmet"</p>
<p>i was simply stating my opinion, not indicating that my opinion is a fact
i don't like macs and thats it, im not saying that any one else can't use them or can't like them, i was simply stating my viewpoint, so relax
maybe u don't think so, but OS X is a lot better with a 2 button wheel mouse, try it and i appreciate you calling me an idiot, thanks :)</p>
<p>btw, i am chemE not eecs,</p>
<p>lefay8, if u want a good HP get one from the business line, those are comparable to IBMs and much better than HPs general line</p>
<p>Actually what Apple does with the single mouse button is something that is actually pretty smart. By shipping macs with a mouse that has only a single button, for many users that just fine. A lot of people never need the second button for browsing the internet or checking email or listening to music. By having only one button you eliminate the frustration of accidentally clicking the other button and pulling up some confusing menu and getting all flustered. And for those of us who know what the hell were doing and like having the extra buttons, getting a new mouse and using it is effortless. Few people ever keep the original mouse that a computer comes with anyways, and just buy their own.</p>
<p>i understand what u r saying, but unless one is completely computer illiterate, the menu isn't really that confusing</p>
<p>"Few people ever keep the original mouse that a computer comes with anyways, and just buy their own." - Logitech MX1000 = win :)</p>
<p>What i mean is they start doing one thing then get flustered by pulling up some menu they didnt want. It just makes things simpler for those who would just as soon not have to deal with extra stuff, cause some people (i know a few) are that clueless. DarkPyr0: definitely agree with you on that one, but im pretty happy with the one i got: MX-700, new when i got it and still goin strong, tho id like to see the difference in speed with the 1000. Either way Logitech makes some great stuff, hard to go wrong. Kengsington also makes some really comfortable mice.</p>
<p>With any new 'system', be it a computer or some other electronic device, you won't pick up on the layout and ways of doing things until you use it for a while.</p>
<p>You're used to a two-button mouse, of course a one-button mouse will be uncomfortable.</p>
<p>You're used to a one-button mouse, of course a two-button mouse will be uncomfortable.</p>
<p>People don't like change. It's a matter of fact. But it really doesn't give you a right to bash something different, especially when it's obviously working fine for many other people. (I guess I'm not very tolerant of ignorance, but hell, if you're going to Berkeley you shouldn't be)</p>
<p>I use the MX-700 on my Gentoo box and the MX-1000 on my Win2k3 box.</p>
<p>While I don't notice a speed difference, I do love the MX-1000 for working in graphical programs like the Adobe Creative Suite series and Macromedia Studio. The preciseness can be tuned to single taps of an arrow key.</p>
<p>The MX-1000 takes some getting used to, especially with mouse acceleration which is a pain in FPS games.</p>
<p>The main difference between the two is the size and weight. The MX-1000 is significantly smaller although a bit more bulky and it weighs less due to an internal battery. Also the Forward/Back buttons have merged which I really don't enjoy along with the program switcher button fused in the middle(I don't use it because I don't install MouseWare).</p>
<p>I mght consider getting a MX-900 for my new laptop since it supports bluetooth.</p>
<p>Yeah so i did have a question bout that one since i ahvent looked into the 900 too much but i did notice that it still has a cradle. Now is that just for charging, or is the "Bluetooth" simply a higher frequency mode of communication between the cradle and the mouse like in my 700. Because it would be nice to tuck the cradle in the back somewhere and use it just for charging rather than to pick up a signal.</p>
<p>I believe the cradle works bith as a charger and a receiver but the receiver is optional.</p>