<p>the new USNews&World report college ranking is out and it's 19th tied with Vanderbilt U.</p>
<p>not that this or any other ranking says much about ND, but just thought you might want to know and talk about it perhaps?</p>
<p>I've read somewhere on CC that peer review score hurts ND's ranking, but...why?</p>
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I've read somewhere on CC that peer review score hurts ND's ranking, but...why?
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<p>Because it doesn't have as good as a reputation as other elite universities. If it weren't for the PA rating, Notre Dame would be in the top 10, I believe I heard.</p>
<p>I don't believe that.......</p>
<p>ND suffers for being a Catholic institution with excellent athletics in a secular-driven academic society. Many are of the opinion that religion, sports and open-minded intellectual pursuit are mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>All Catholic schools suffer from the belief that "Catholic university" is an oxymoron. However, nowadays this really isn't an issue. ND doesn't have great rep as a research school, like other top universities. The school is trying to address that with the Jordan Science Hall and the new engineering building that is going up. They have attracted some allegedly "top" professors from Purdue, Maryland and elsewhere. As for the academic freedom, I was told by my humanities professor, who left his tenured position at Stanford to come to ND, that ND has more academic freedom than Stanford. Is Notre Dame a top 20 school? Most likely, and PA does hurt us. But unless you are a high school kid obsessed with rankings it isn't that big a deal. I do think that the alumni of ND are the best of any school. I got a free apartment at the beach this summer, I got to go to 4 MLB games for free and quite a few free dinners because of the alums. They hook you up just as much as if not more than any other school.</p>
<p>That's what I'm talking about, bpayne1.</p>
<p>You've got it totally nailed, bpayne. I am an alum, and the network of people is unbelievable. It's not just that they move to the top of their fields--they do--but because of the kind of quality people that they are. It is as much a family as it is a network. </p>
<p>U S News & World Report can rank us any way they want. There is no place on this earth I would rather have my kids--and believe me, it breaks my heart to have them 400 miles away--is the University of Notre Dame. It is a foundation for life in ways that continue to be revealed to me 23 years after I graduated. No ranking can explain that; no Ivy league bureaucrat can fully understand that. </p>
<p>Trust that there is no way on earth I would send my precious only daughter away in less than a week to a place that I did not feel was totally worth it. She is an amazing person, the kind that will thrive at ND. My every selfish instinct was to keep her close. But how could I deny her the ND experience?</p>
<p>US News & World Report doesn't get it. Fine. We don't need them to, so long as we do!</p>
<p>All good posts-and btw, take the rankings with a grain of salt! Many colleges and universities are beginning to boycott the rankings. Son did not choose ND based on its ranking--sure he had ops at other higher ranked schools, but the academic fit and community at ND is what attracted him, and as we know, he is not even Catholic. I will comment bpayne that I think that you have hit a spark with regard to research, as that was one of the things admissions discussed with son! They are addressing this issue, it is very evident. And yes, in our opinion, the alum base far outweighs any other college or uni!! GO IRISH!!!!!</p>
<p>I for one am very excited about the University's plan for research expansion. As a physics major, this can only be good for me.</p>
<p>i find it funny that we're all upset that ND is "only" a top 25 rank... isn't that pretty good? lol</p>
<p>but i know what you all mean...</p>
<p>I think we'll go up a bit when the investments that the university is making today finally pay off.</p>
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Trust that there is no way on earth I would send my precious only daughter away in less than a week to a place that I did not feel was totally worth it. She is an amazing person, the kind that will thrive at ND. My every selfish instinct was to keep her close. But how could I deny her the ND experience?
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Did your selfish instinct make you want to keep your son close as well? How "precious" is your son compared to your daughter? </p>
<p>Your attitude is really creepy.</p>
<p>Your Father, I am sure she met her son as well, she just is thinking about her daughter because her daughter is the one that is going off to school for the first time whereas her son has been at ND for years and she is used to him being there. Surely you can understand that.</p>
<p>The peer assessment score is very low for ND, but I do think that the problem is the research which they are working on. ND is an odd school, as you will learn if you end up interviewing/attending other schools after ND like I did. Most schools have their best and their brightest in their graduate programs because these programs are the most selective and they can have their pick from elite colleges all over the nation. ND is one of the few where, in my opinion (and the opinions of a few professors I have talked with about this issue) the undergraduates outshine the grad students in many cases. Because of this, many professors prefer to work with undergraduates on research and do most of their research with undergrads. This cuts down on how much research gets done because the undergraduates are not as autonomous (for example, I had to have a prof run my statistics instead of just doing it myself), so ND doesn't look as good research wise, but it also presents good opportunities for the undergrads. Also, I don't think our grad programs are very large, which is part of the problem.</p>
<p>Fr. Jenkins is working hard to improve the ND grad programs, which is good because it may mean that students like me won't have to leave (I didn't even apply to ND for my PhD). I think once those improvements are made you will see the peer assessment score go up. It will always be low, don't get me wrong, I think there will always be us that discredit us for being a Catholic university unless we become like Georgetown (please don't let that happen) but what can you do? </p>
<p>Also, according to Fr. Jenkins last year, ND would be 13th without the PA if I remember correctly, not top 10. However, with how much more selective it was last year, that may be moving north soon!</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, "yourfather", it was tough to send away my son as well. I love him just as much as my daughter, obviously. But, as Irish noted, I'm not on the cusp of sending him off--he's been there for two years, and done Navy ROTC summer cruises to bit. And, as mothers on this board will attest, there is a special kind of relationship that mothers have with daughters. Surely you, who have posted on this and other forums freely about homophobia and gender issues must, at a minimum, realize there is a difference between the sexes!</p>
<p>As per the "creepy" comments, I don't believe that someone who has started posting strings entitled "Looking for top schools with a lot of homophobic people" and "Is Notre Dame a good place for homophobic people?" </p>
<p>In addition to this, he participated in a thread "how do white girls feel about asian guys", in which he chimes in with: So basically, I'm asking you, Asian guys:
1) Show us a picture of whom you consider the most attractive white male and Asian male for the girls to compare.
2) Why do YOU prefer white females?"</p>
<p>He also wrote in a thread entitled "I Saw You", in which posters contributed their own versions of sexually charged lead-ins more commonly seen in adult magazines; included in his literary effort was the following: "I took shelter in the roof-covered portion of Bistro 110's outdoor cafe when you came up from behind me. You were soaking wet and smiling, and we chatted about the rain. You made me kinda nervous..."</p>
<p>This is in addition to another gender-charged thread he started, entitled "why are women more religious than men?" (followed by the open-ended question, "any ideas?")</p>
<p>Perhaps, "yourfather", I have better reason than I thought to be protective of my daughter! Taking a journey through your postings, it seems, whatever the venue, you find a way to make it about some aspect of sexuality. So you must know there is a difference...</p>
<p>Creepy is as creepy does...</p>
<p>lol agreed</p>
<p>Um, excuse me, but how are the things you quoted of me creepy? I stand by every single one of them. I was curious about the religiosity of men and women and the role of races in relationships. I described someone who approached me in the streets. How were those things sexual? Perhaps you're the sexual one, seeing "sexual" stuff when there's none. </p>
<p>You're the one who's creepy for stalking me, reading my previous posts. Please stop... I've had enough older men whom I'm not interested in stalking me.</p>
<p>It's very unChristian of you to do this. I will ask my friend to pray for you.</p>
<p>lol!
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Perhaps you're the sexual one
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This made me crack up. As though dd were some kind of predator...</p>
<p>I'm blocking you, yourfather, because I sense--with good cause--that you are only on the ND forum to mock those posting on it. </p>
<p>By the way, I'm a woman, so you needn't worry about older men. And, quite frankly, even in my prime, you wouldn't have been my type.</p>
<p>Soooo.....</p>
<p>I'm glad that ND is working on the research area
Obviously I believe ND is a fantastic university otherwise I wouldn't have confirmed my offer of admission in a heart beat! :)</p>
<p>apparently this ranking (2008) uses data from 2006 so maybe for next year ND's place will go up seeing as the admission game seemed harder for class of 2007</p>
<p>sorry for my interest in the rankings...I know better yet my high-school-student-obssessed-with-colleges-instict kicks in time to time</p>
<p>With school year starting in a week, I just hope I'll be able to survive :)</p>
<p>Go Irish!</p>