<p>Maybe a few years later, there won’t be any discussion about Brown PLME better than other BS/MD programs, It will be the best. So if you were a current PLME admits, grasp this opportunity. There are many students choose PLME over HSYP. </p>
<p>Since it is a young med school, the current research rank is 29. With the introduction of new med school facility and new public health program, its med school rank definitely will climb to tier 1 in very near future. I would like to point out that an Ivy school with 8.7% admission rate, it has the natural DNA to be number one in every field. </p>
<p>BigFire: Thank you for the links. It definitely looks like Brown is investing a lot in its medical program. I will check out more on that. Thanks for pointing it out.</p>
<p>This is what I have been told. Lots of kids (almost half) in PLME consider switching medical schools after they are done with undergraduate studies. Anyone knows if this is true?</p>
<p>Never heard before, where the rumors from ??? i think it is untrue. Maybe a couple, i can imagine. Financial problem, found other interests…, it happens all over the country. One person i know of is Louisina governor Bob switched his course (he was in PLME before).</p>
<p>Use intelligent think, if half the kids switching their major, that means the program has trouble to continue or at least shrink to a minimum, but what you have seen is the program is not shrinking, it has been in this way for many years. i think they accept about half the size of the students from traditional routes. </p>
<p>If you are serious, maybe call the PLME office to dig out more.</p>
<p>Here are part of it —
How competitive is Alpert Medical School?
For the Fall 2010 entering class, Alpert Medical School received 2,441 secondary applications for 38-40 openings in the standard route. 255 applicants including postbaccalaureate linkage candidates, were interviewed.</p>
<p>What percentage of students are admitted through the non-PLME routes?
Of the class entering in Fall 2010, over 50% are students admitted through postbac, standard, and Early Identification Program routes of admission.</p>
<p>Again, call the office to find out more, if still could not alleviate your concern, i think Brown may not be the place for you. You want to go to a school which can bring you happy for at least 4 years …</p>
<p>NU undergrad is higher ranked than Brown, and the medical school is ranked higher too. It is a known fact the NU is a better program, hands down. The fact that students do not stay 7 to 8 years on one campus is also an added plus. And Chicago is cool.</p>
<p>BigFire, you summed it well that for undergraduate experience NU might not beat Brown. That is the feeling we are getting from everyone concerned. What we are struggling now is the medical part. And as you said, the future looks great with the funding Brown has received but we do not know how that is going to play out. No doubt Brown is a great school and the kids in PLME are so good that it is not surprising that kids might want to try to get into better medical programs if they can. Though we might be leaning towards HPME, I have no doubt that the person who selects PLME cannot go wrong. They are both great programs and we are just lucky to have that selection. S is going to visit both and then decide to be sure.
Another factor that plays in S’s decision is that it is 7 year program and he has lived all his life in East Coast.</p>
<p>One thing i would like to point out that PLME kids once transfer out, they lose their spot in the med school (may be same for many BS/MD programs). i believe Brown wants to build its own med school strength and reputation from the bottom, because PLME students are cream of the crop in the nation. </p>
<p>As far as i know from a decade ago, its med school rank has climbed up almost 15-20 ranks. My prediction is for a couple of years it will climb up to top 25 or so, maybe even within 20th, because of the introduction of new med facility and public health school. After that, it is all up to its research capacity and paper publications. </p>
<p>Like you said, we don’t know how it will play out in the long future. Well, same applies to any re-known med school. Some go up, some go down, it all depends on how much resources put in, and how intelligent the research faculty and students are.</p>
<p>i hope this is the last post, i wrote here.</p>
<p>One thing i noticed that mid-west med school students tend to matched in mid-west for their residency. It is not good or bad choice.</p>
<p>I also know some people from mid-west med school has hard time to adjust to either east or west coast, maybe east-west coasts med school students have hard time to adjust in mid-west as well. Reason i don’t know. This is just my impression. Maybe i am wrong. Don’t flame me on this.</p>
<p>Feinberg matches plenty of students in the Northeast in top hospitals. Feinberg is ranked well above Brown. Look at the ranking both undergrad and medical schools. There is more than rankings in making your choice, and pick what works for you.</p>
<p>You got Heisman-candidate Dan Persa, throwing to 1) all Big Ten WR Jeremy Ebert, or maybe to 2) superback (break a tackle and scamper 66 yards in the Outback Bowl) Drake Dunsmore, or maybe to 3) last-minute-catch-in-the-endzone-to-beat-Iowa Demetrius Fields, or maybe to 4) young speedster Venric Mark, or maybe even to backup QB Kain Colter. You got Doctor StrangeLaces Denard Robinson coming to town Oct 8 (with new coach Brady Hokie-Pokie) in the battle of Persa-Shoelace Heisman Hopefuls, and then you got JoePa coming to town 10/22 in the battle of the young (Fitz) vs old (JoePa) head coaches, where both coaches have great mutual admiration of each other. And then to wrap up the regular season, on 11/26, you got Kirk Cousins coming to town again, but this time, don’t expect NU Safety Brian Peters to let Cousins thread anything into the Wildcat secondary.</p>
<p>What the heck are you going to get at Brown, except for maybe a few Brownies?</p>
Gotta to be the most misleading statement ever. Lets do the math. HPME is 7 years while PLME is 8 years. What does that mean, it saves you a year’s worth of tuition.
Also how do you know that HPME is not choosing your future? Way to be bias and misleading. NU’s medical school matches students to top hospitals: Mass Gen, MD Anderson, Mayo, etc. Seems like you don’t know much about NU at least NU students don’t make misleading statements.
And NU’s experience is unbeatable? NU’s student body as a whole is much more united than Brown. NU’s student body attend football games at much higher rate than Brown. There is a lot of school pride, not that there isn’t at Brown but students are just more willing to join together and support their schools in events like football, lacrosse and basketball.
You’re joking right? 2-3 miles is not that different. You are still in Providence. Last time I check, Brown students (undergrads) go into providence to volunteer in hospitals, they downtown to have fun, oh and then walk that 2-3 mile. So…you are not really changing scenes at all, especially since you are going to study in THE SAME HOSPITALS! At NU, Most students volunteer at Evanston Hospital so when they go to med school, they are at a hospital in Chicago, not in a Evanston hospital.
Evanston -> Chicago vs. Providence -> Providence. Which one is a change of scene?
Oh BTW, did you ever think about getting tired of being in the SAME CITY with the SAME PEOPLE for 8 years!!! I would get tired of that. You make 1-2 mile seems like 10 miles away. NU’s campus is pretty a mile long…oops…I believe Brown is too…
You state that a little more than half is admitted through the traditional route so that means that about half is still through PLME (nearly half of the 38-40). That’s not much of a change in the class diversity, still a large amount of it are people who have known each other. NU on the other hand has about 133, only 15 are through HPME. that’s about 10%, compared to 25% to a little less than 50%…hmmm
Lastly, you keep on saying “my prediction,” well let me tell you about MY predictions: NU’s undergrad will continue to rise and will begin to compete with other top Ivies: UPenn, Columbia. I will also predict that NU’s Med school will also rise in time as their med school endowment continues to grow and the research funding continues to grow.
BTW Selectivity is NOT a way to measure how good a school is, people who state are don’t understand what selectivity. Even Columbia, which now has the second lowest acceptance rate admits that selectivity does not correlate to academic teaching: read Columbia Spectator.</p>
Umm did you read my last post? I stated that “At NU, Most students volunteer at Evanston Hospital so when they go to med school, they are at a hospital in Chicago, not in a Evanston hospital.” And you essentially proved my point, studying at NU means that you won’t be in the same place for 7 years, rather you get a change in the environment. Ending the affiliation means that you WILL have a change of scenery. At Brown, you volunteer in a Brown affiliated hospital and then later study in the same hospital, wow, that’s 8 years of no change.
For housing, it depends on where you want to live. NU med school is near the north side of Chicago, you can live outside of Chicago which is a lot cheaper and you can ride a low cost subway in.</p>
<p>Having been a physician for 23 yrs, in my experience Northwestern Medical School is in the top tier and Brown Alpert is is the middle tier. Brown UG is a low Ivy, I don’t think it beats NU UG by reputation alone.</p>
<p>Look at the Match Lists, note the specialty then the program name. NU kids get into more competitive specialties and in more prestigious residencies of those specialties. (Medical schools excel in certain fields and are not great across the boards. Example: Duke had a great surgical program, but its Anesthesiology program was on probation. WUSLT Anesthesia was also pretty weak. Baylor Diagnostic Radiology was briefly on probation). NU residencies generally rank higher then Brown. This accounts for the higher esteem that NU is held, when compared Brown.</p>
<p>The above statements are controversial. I expect a flood of posts disagreeing with my observation.</p>
<p>He obviously has 2 great opportunities, and is a gifted student and will do well where ever he goes. Congratulations! If finances etc. are for you all relatively equal, which it sounds like that is not a critical difference, then after he has his visits, let him decide. I would say what ever setting in his heart he feels he would be happiest! (and I don’t mean by college rankings of “happiness”, but for him personally.) The road through undergrad, med school, residency etc is long and full of “delayed gratification”, and being happy while doing that is so important, and much underrated.</p>
<p>Recalled some 20-30 years ago, i believe NU 's rank is around 30-40 may be even lower (USnews ranks), how it come to its current ranks, i really don’t know, maybe it has beaten up some good public schools. To be fair, NU’s Med school has come up some ranks recent years too, but it also comes up from 2nd tier a few years ago.</p>
<p>People have their own ruler to gauge which school is better. Otherwise, how the selectivity and cross-admit come from? I would say NU is a fine school, it is at similar tier as U of Michigan, JMO. But if you say NU is better than U of Chicago, UCLA or UC-Berkely, probably general public wouldn’t agree. Students admitted into those schools won’t trade it for NU.</p>
<p>Once again, the rankings speak for themselves. Feinberg is ranked much higher than Brown Med. and Northwestern University is ranked much higher than Brown. I guess you did not get into both programs but NU is ranked higher in all regards.</p>